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very good yeah like i was saying i mean

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and yeah i i just wanted to uh i wanted

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to thank everybody for

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you know for sticking with me and

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sticking with the family and uh

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didn't want to have too much delay and

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uh and uh it feels good to be back on

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the show

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well we're glad to have you back lon and

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uh you know you and i talk

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every day sometimes uh

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maybe for three or four or five hours a

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day if you break up all the little

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messages we send back and forth

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yeah so uh you know we always stay in

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touch and it was just nice to see so

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many people coming out for you meant a

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lot to me i know it meant a lot for you

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we are

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tonight yeah kicking it off

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was overwhelmed actually i was

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overwhelmed by the expressive gratitude

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so um it made me feel good so i just

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and you know we're going to keep on

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lot to talk about tonight lon why don't

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you kick it off with some stories you've

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been compiling

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and we can go ahead and give it a banter

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or two well you know i think

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i think the the first one i'll talk

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about is um

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something that came up with uh well last

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and our friend jason johnson crypto four

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corners

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uh he gave me a call reference to the

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mysterious oklahoma octopus now you know

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this legend has been going around for a

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uh you know supposedly this cryptid

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is a freshwater uh cephalopod like

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creature uh and they

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it's the story has that is generally

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said to inhabit

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at least two lakes in oklahoma that's

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and lake ten killer though there have

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mentions of other places as well so

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supposedly a taxi kills unsuspecting

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swimmers and according to the legend

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this freshwater monster

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measures the size of a horse and

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resembles a marine octopus with long

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tentacles and leathery

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red brown skin uh

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you know now skeptics are questioned

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whether an octopus

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sharks have been known to live in fresh

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you know it's it's easy to believe that

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such a creature

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would be a fearsome predator you know

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the the giant

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pacific octopus for example has

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tentacles that each boast the strength

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and a powerful beak that can kill its

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that's a strong octopus oh yeah so

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but but the bottom line is you know if

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there is one

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were at one time a small juvenile

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cephalopod so um

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that on april the 6th 2011

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in the canadian river which is near

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oklahoma city oklahoma

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a small cephalopod was caught

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and now they had they had a uh photo of

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inch

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octopus that came out of the river

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now the photo came way by one of jesus

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associates steven freeman

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who was the first to investigate the

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circumstances of the photo

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now he's also an oklahoma resident is

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currently following up on the sightings

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he's uh presently active in the process

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of procuring

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a cephalopod for examination

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wildlife officials from what i

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so i don't know she kept you know

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of water skiers and swimmers being

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survived attacks while swimming

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swearing at tentacles were wrapped

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around them pulling them to deeper water

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something that is

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as established stories go that three

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teenagers by the name of tyler schuman

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ruthie simple and uh bruce delroy

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were reported to have drowned pulled

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and pulled down by the creature now

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two other teenagers with them

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had blistered like wounds and scabs like

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the marks caused by

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a octopus suckers so

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these tales go back

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uh to the native americans from the area

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the cattle

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empire uh he told legends of large

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creatures that looked somewhat like a

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ponds were linked underground

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that it would drag them to their desks

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crypto four corners is going to be

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planning a spring expedition

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um now in the meantime jc

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the upper midwest

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along the canadian border and frankly

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what he is doing

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and what i what

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information i got from him he has

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some pretty good um

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some pretty good evidence so

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he tells me that of course the owl fans

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monsters will

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have the exclusive access to any

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information and

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evidence that's established so i'm

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waiting to get that from him

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and i i'll probably be hearing something

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soon from him well if it's in the water

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i don't mess around with it

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you know me i don't go near the water

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i'm the same way i i am not

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you know i am not something like diving

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in the water after something

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water it's just that

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that's that's always something that's

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always bugged me you know

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i used to go uh i used to go into the

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the freshwater lakes when i lived in

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pennsylvania as a kid

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and he knew some of the size of the fish

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that were in that thing like

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big muskies and such and those things

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had teeth they used to scare the hell

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so um and rightfully so they should

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they're giant

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fish with teeth that could eat your face

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i don't mess around with a man i don't

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go in the water i'm i'm not much of a

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fisherman because i'm afraid of what i'm

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the beach but that's a whole other story

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for another time there was greenpeace

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involved and

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some media and trying to roll me back

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into the water it wasn't a good time

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concluded with james baker yelling

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that's not his blowhole

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and that was that was it oh

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jeez so you know other than that story

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you know i did write some things up

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about

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bioengineering of bigfoot and such

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that uh that may have been going on

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in the edgewood arsenal facility

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uh this was an investigation that i

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actually started

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looking into after my uh

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my monster story was put on tv

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i had a lot of people contacting me

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and i started getting information

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concerning um

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an area well a facility

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near me uh nearest in sykesville

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that was people used to refer to as the

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monkey house

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now you know i i knew of the i knew of

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the building

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for other than that

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i had heard it was a laundry

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where inmates were kept you know to do

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the laundry for the

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the local the local hospital

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one of the witnesses who had made a

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statement

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to the um to the baltimore

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afro-americans who

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who actually the paper that actually did

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the invest the early investigation

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of the case stated that uh

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somebody needed to look into the monkey

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you know but none of the witness snapper

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encounter another witness i talked

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starting in 1881 ever mentioned this

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now i made a i made a few inquiries

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uh you know in reference to

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the monkey house and according to one

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source

290
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he was an original witness may have been

291
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referring to this two-story building

292
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that once stood near the present-day

293
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police and correctional

294
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training facility on slack road

295
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now that's the building i would i had

296
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thought it was

297
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it had a lot of security around it had

298
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uh

299
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chain link fence that had

300
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razor wire and stuff above it

301
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the building was officially designated

302
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as the laundry facility used by the

303
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state hospital now

304
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you know i i do recall the security and

305
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i was told at the time

306
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that correctional inmates were kept

307
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there to launder clothes

308
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and that they actually stayed at the

309
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facility

310
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um many locals questioned that

311
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explanation it just didn't seem right

312
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and the moniker monkey house may have

313
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been used for

314
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most part by the people who worked at

315
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springfield

316
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state hospital

317
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and this you know it was for

318
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it was for people that had mental

319
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disabilities

320
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and uh they also kept uh

321
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criminally insane there as well so um

322
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now that building was eventually raised

323
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so i had an investigator contact me

324
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he was ex-us ex-us air force

325
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and had worked at a government facility

326
00:13:23,990 --> 00:13:21,680
uh

327
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north of baltimore and harford county in

328
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the early 80s which

329
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which was and uh the edgewood

330
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arsenal um

331
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and he was part of a group of

332
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ex-military who were employed

333
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to perform general work around the

334
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facility

335
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at one particular hot humid day he and a

336
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crew

337
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working outside of a specific building

338
00:13:52,550 --> 00:13:50,160
at this government facility now they

339
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they have been told that they could walk

340
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inside the building if they needed a

341
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quick break

342
00:13:59,110 --> 00:13:57,839
and a drink of water now he states that

343
00:14:01,910 --> 00:13:59,120
he entered a building

344
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looking for the water fountain couldn't

345
00:14:07,269 --> 00:14:03,680
locate one

346
00:14:10,870 --> 00:14:07,279
so he walked deeper into the building

347
00:14:15,030 --> 00:14:10,880
and soon uh

348
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witnessed a large heavy reinforced door

349
00:14:19,670 --> 00:14:17,760
that just seemed out of place the door

350
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had been damaged

351
00:14:24,310 --> 00:14:21,760
as if it were ran by something of

352
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significant size and power

353
00:14:27,910 --> 00:14:26,160
by this time he was approached by a

354
00:14:29,990 --> 00:14:27,920
woman in uniform

355
00:14:32,790 --> 00:14:30,000
who informed him that he was in a

356
00:14:35,829 --> 00:14:32,800
classified area

357
00:14:37,430 --> 00:14:35,839
and he must leave immediately he

358
00:14:38,870 --> 00:14:37,440
explained that he was just looking for

359
00:14:41,269 --> 00:14:38,880
the water fountain

360
00:14:43,110 --> 00:14:41,279
a security officer was now on the scene

361
00:14:44,949 --> 00:14:43,120
and he directed the witness

362
00:14:46,310 --> 00:14:44,959
to the water fountain as they were

363
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heading toward the building

364
00:14:51,670 --> 00:14:49,199
exit the witness inquired about the

365
00:14:53,030 --> 00:14:51,680
damaged door and the security officer

366
00:14:55,110 --> 00:14:53,040
only mentioned

367
00:14:57,750 --> 00:14:55,120
that the door was damaged but something

368
00:15:00,310 --> 00:14:57,760
can find behind it

369
00:15:02,949 --> 00:15:00,320
now after several years of scrutiny and

370
00:15:06,389 --> 00:15:02,959
questions the investigator believes

371
00:15:10,310 --> 00:15:06,399
that this building was used for research

372
00:15:13,949 --> 00:15:10,320
and contained unknown bipedal beans

373
00:15:15,110 --> 00:15:13,959
that had somewhat how escaped between

374
00:15:18,710 --> 00:15:15,120
1979

375
00:15:22,150 --> 00:15:18,720
and 1984 he had received

376
00:15:25,509 --> 00:15:22,160
information that 20 to 34

377
00:15:25,990 --> 00:15:25,519
individuals of both sexes had been in

378
00:15:28,870 --> 00:15:26,000
the building

379
00:15:30,870 --> 00:15:28,880
at some period he also mentioned that

380
00:15:32,790 --> 00:15:30,880
during this period of time

381
00:15:35,430 --> 00:15:32,800
that there had been many bigfoot

382
00:15:36,790 --> 00:15:35,440
sightings at rock state park and

383
00:15:39,110 --> 00:15:36,800
gunfire's

384
00:15:42,230 --> 00:15:39,120
powder falls state park which are

385
00:15:44,550 --> 00:15:42,240
located near the government facility

386
00:15:46,470 --> 00:15:44,560
now i had i've been aware of the bigfoot

387
00:15:48,870 --> 00:15:46,480
sightings in those locations for

388
00:15:50,949 --> 00:15:48,880
over the years but you know i don't know

389
00:15:53,829 --> 00:15:50,959
if these sightings are related to these

390
00:15:55,030 --> 00:15:53,839
aforementioned uh escapes of course this

391
00:15:57,269 --> 00:15:55,040
information

392
00:15:59,749 --> 00:15:57,279
is completely anecdotal and based on

393
00:16:02,150 --> 00:15:59,759
what and witnesses account

394
00:16:02,870 --> 00:16:02,160
so you know let's be hypothetical for a

395
00:16:06,470 --> 00:16:02,880
second

396
00:16:08,389 --> 00:16:06,480
is it possible that the being eyewitness

397
00:16:12,470 --> 00:16:08,399
near sykesville maryland

398
00:16:15,829 --> 00:16:12,480
in 1981 was an escaped experiment

399
00:16:18,629 --> 00:16:15,839
uh because this facility

400
00:16:19,030 --> 00:16:18,639
in sykesville was nearby the one that

401
00:16:21,749 --> 00:16:19,040
they

402
00:16:23,990 --> 00:16:21,759
people referred to as the monkey house

403
00:16:25,910 --> 00:16:24,000
uh

404
00:16:27,030 --> 00:16:25,920
was there another incident or series in

405
00:16:28,870 --> 00:16:27,040
an incident at

406
00:16:31,430 --> 00:16:28,880
other facilities in maryland during the

407
00:16:35,189 --> 00:16:31,440
same time period

408
00:16:36,710 --> 00:16:35,199
so you know since i've put since the

409
00:16:38,710 --> 00:16:36,720
time i posted that

410
00:16:40,550 --> 00:16:38,720
i've talked to several people who were

411
00:16:43,590 --> 00:16:40,560
aware of

412
00:16:45,189 --> 00:16:43,600
are part of the uh the

413
00:16:47,110 --> 00:16:45,199
various government biological

414
00:16:49,110 --> 00:16:47,120
experiments uh

415
00:16:50,790 --> 00:16:49,120
one facility that continued to come up

416
00:16:52,629 --> 00:16:50,800
in conversations

417
00:16:54,150 --> 00:16:52,639
was the edgewood arsenal in harford

418
00:16:55,110 --> 00:16:54,160
county maryland which is the same

419
00:16:59,030 --> 00:16:55,120
facility

420
00:17:02,150 --> 00:16:59,040
mentioned by this investigator now

421
00:17:04,069 --> 00:17:02,160
there was a 1994 documentary titled bad

422
00:17:07,829 --> 00:17:04,079
trip to edgewood

423
00:17:09,669 --> 00:17:07,839
which you can find on youtube

424
00:17:11,590 --> 00:17:09,679
and it starts by showing clips of

425
00:17:12,069 --> 00:17:11,600
animals being cruelly tested in the

426
00:17:15,510 --> 00:17:12,079
edgewood

427
00:17:17,990 --> 00:17:15,520
laboratory with voice

428
00:17:18,870 --> 00:17:18,000
over stating that animals were always

429
00:17:22,390 --> 00:17:18,880
tested before

430
00:17:23,429 --> 00:17:22,400
humans now the clips were highly

431
00:17:25,750 --> 00:17:23,439
disturbing

432
00:17:27,829 --> 00:17:25,760
but then the documentary states that

433
00:17:29,669 --> 00:17:27,839
such experiments were not confined to

434
00:17:32,390 --> 00:17:29,679
animals

435
00:17:37,510 --> 00:17:32,400
the medical research volunteer program

436
00:17:40,870 --> 00:17:37,520
was conducted at the facility in 1948

437
00:17:42,470 --> 00:17:40,880
through 1975.

438
00:17:44,870 --> 00:17:42,480
the aim of the experiments was to

439
00:17:48,070 --> 00:17:44,880
analyze the impact of chemical warfare

440
00:17:49,710 --> 00:17:48,080
agents or military personnel to test the

441
00:17:52,789 --> 00:17:49,720
likes of vaccines

442
00:17:55,350 --> 00:17:52,799
pharmaceuticals and protective clothing

443
00:17:56,789 --> 00:17:55,360
it is now known that seven thousand

444
00:17:59,510 --> 00:17:56,799
soldiers

445
00:18:00,870 --> 00:17:59,520
and one thousand civilians were used as

446
00:18:03,230 --> 00:18:00,880
guinea pigs

447
00:18:04,710 --> 00:18:03,240
half of which were tested with so-called

448
00:18:08,789 --> 00:18:04,720
psycho-chemicals

449
00:18:11,990 --> 00:18:08,799
and mind-altering drugs the

450
00:18:12,870 --> 00:18:12,000
medical volunteers were never told that

451
00:18:17,669 --> 00:18:12,880
the chemicals

452
00:18:20,470 --> 00:18:17,679
asked what the drugs were they were told

453
00:18:23,270 --> 00:18:20,480
not to ask questions

454
00:18:24,950 --> 00:18:23,280
but what is but what is the actual stent

455
00:18:26,549 --> 00:18:24,960
taking place at edgewood

456
00:18:28,390 --> 00:18:26,559
and these other facilities throughout

457
00:18:30,310 --> 00:18:28,400
the country uh

458
00:18:32,549 --> 00:18:30,320
this location edgewood was later

459
00:18:33,510 --> 00:18:32,559
designated as the us army medical

460
00:18:36,789 --> 00:18:33,520
research

461
00:18:39,830 --> 00:18:36,799
institute for chemical defense

462
00:18:42,630 --> 00:18:39,840
uh it is also you know see also near

463
00:18:46,710 --> 00:18:42,640
that aberdeen proving ground area

464
00:18:49,990 --> 00:18:46,720
uh now i guess a lot of people

465
00:18:52,789 --> 00:18:50,000
a lot of people are aware uh after

466
00:18:53,830 --> 00:18:52,799
the fall soviet union that you know that

467
00:18:57,190 --> 00:18:53,840
soviet dictator

468
00:19:00,390 --> 00:18:57,200
joseph stalin had ordered a creation of

469
00:19:02,470 --> 00:19:00,400
altered hominid warriors by crossing

470
00:19:05,190 --> 00:19:02,480
humans with apes according to the secret

471
00:19:07,990 --> 00:19:05,200
documents uncovered in 2005.

472
00:19:08,630 --> 00:19:08,000
now in the mid-1920s russia's top animal

473
00:19:14,950 --> 00:19:08,640
breed

474
00:19:16,789 --> 00:19:14,960
was ordered to turn his skills from

475
00:19:19,270 --> 00:19:16,799
horse and animal work to

476
00:19:22,230 --> 00:19:19,280
the quest of a super warrior now

477
00:19:24,710 --> 00:19:22,240
according to the moscow newspapers

478
00:19:25,830 --> 00:19:24,720
stalin told the scientists i want a new

479
00:19:28,390 --> 00:19:25,840
invincible

480
00:19:30,070 --> 00:19:28,400
human being insensitive to pain

481
00:19:31,750 --> 00:19:30,080
resistant and different about the

482
00:19:33,590 --> 00:19:31,760
quality of food they eat

483
00:19:35,909 --> 00:19:33,600
the project failed of course because the

484
00:19:38,630 --> 00:19:35,919
technology just wasn't available

485
00:19:40,310 --> 00:19:38,640
but is it possible that the united

486
00:19:42,150 --> 00:19:40,320
states government

487
00:19:43,830 --> 00:19:42,160
embarked on a project remotely

488
00:19:49,430 --> 00:19:43,840
paralleling the uh

489
00:19:54,549 --> 00:19:52,470
yeah i guess it's possible you know

490
00:19:56,789 --> 00:19:54,559
this uh you know there have been a lot

491
00:19:58,549 --> 00:19:56,799
of hairy hominid sightings in harper and

492
00:19:59,909 --> 00:19:58,559
baltimore counties

493
00:20:02,390 --> 00:19:59,919
and here in maryland north into

494
00:20:05,750 --> 00:20:02,400
pennsylvania west spring break

495
00:20:05,990 --> 00:20:05,760
susquehanna river over the past 35 years

496
00:20:09,029 --> 00:20:06,000
now

497
00:20:10,710 --> 00:20:09,039
unlike my studying near sykesville most

498
00:20:14,310 --> 00:20:10,720
of the descriptions of human

499
00:20:16,310 --> 00:20:14,320
or of human-like faces and in fact

500
00:20:18,070 --> 00:20:16,320
many of the east coast harry hominids

501
00:20:19,830 --> 00:20:18,080
share that distinction

502
00:20:22,789 --> 00:20:19,840
as opposed to the descriptions of

503
00:20:25,510 --> 00:20:22,799
ape-like features further west

504
00:20:26,870 --> 00:20:25,520
and this all begs for another familiar

505
00:20:28,390 --> 00:20:26,880
question why

506
00:20:30,710 --> 00:20:28,400
why haven't any of these beings ever

507
00:20:33,029 --> 00:20:30,720
been caught or found dead

508
00:20:33,990 --> 00:20:33,039
now if bioengineering is part of the

509
00:20:37,669 --> 00:20:34,000
development of these

510
00:20:40,549 --> 00:20:37,679
beings who is to say that reverse

511
00:20:42,789 --> 00:20:40,559
engineering our reverse engineered

512
00:20:44,390 --> 00:20:42,799
extraterrestrial technology

513
00:20:45,990 --> 00:20:44,400
has never been incorporated in the

514
00:20:49,350 --> 00:20:46,000
formulation

515
00:20:51,430 --> 00:20:49,360
of this or any other life form uh could

516
00:20:52,789 --> 00:20:51,440
certain technology give these beings the

517
00:20:56,149 --> 00:20:52,799
ability to cloak

518
00:20:58,390 --> 00:20:56,159
or be multiverse travelers who's to say

519
00:21:01,830 --> 00:20:58,400
that other unknown beings and or

520
00:21:03,110 --> 00:21:01,840
bipedal cryptids can't possess the same

521
00:21:05,029 --> 00:21:03,120
traits

522
00:21:06,789 --> 00:21:05,039
this may be a big drop in the rabbit

523
00:21:09,270 --> 00:21:06,799
hole but you know

524
00:21:11,750 --> 00:21:09,280
i never discount man's willingness to

525
00:21:14,310 --> 00:21:11,760
venture closer to the creator

526
00:21:15,750 --> 00:21:14,320
so you know how far will they go we

527
00:21:18,390 --> 00:21:15,760
don't know

528
00:21:20,070 --> 00:21:18,400
no we don't and you know i just posted

529
00:21:20,630 --> 00:21:20,080
in the chat room if we can clone sheep

530
00:21:23,029 --> 00:21:20,640
who the

531
00:21:24,789 --> 00:21:23,039
heck knows what we can really do and i

532
00:21:26,390 --> 00:21:24,799
think that's a you know a fair point but

533
00:21:27,990 --> 00:21:26,400
we go back to the storyline and this is

534
00:21:29,590 --> 00:21:28,000
not the first time i've heard the monkey

535
00:21:31,909 --> 00:21:29,600
house brought up

536
00:21:33,029 --> 00:21:31,919
yeah along yorn you know in the area

537
00:21:34,390 --> 00:21:33,039
near your encounter

538
00:21:35,590 --> 00:21:34,400
and uh this is the first time i'm

539
00:21:36,710 --> 00:21:35,600
hearing about some of the internal

540
00:21:38,390 --> 00:21:36,720
workings

541
00:21:40,310 --> 00:21:38,400
of some of these other facilities with

542
00:21:41,990 --> 00:21:40,320
this giant metal door that looks like

543
00:21:45,430 --> 00:21:42,000
it's been attacked

544
00:21:48,470 --> 00:21:45,440
and uh and bulged and prone

545
00:21:50,070 --> 00:21:48,480
uh so i don't know uh and they raised

546
00:21:51,990 --> 00:21:50,080
the building now so there's no way to go

547
00:21:53,990 --> 00:21:52,000
back and really find out

548
00:21:57,510 --> 00:21:54,000
no but now all we have to do is start

549
00:21:58,789 --> 00:21:57,520
taking uh reports from other folks

550
00:22:00,310 --> 00:21:58,799
that were in these buildings around

551
00:22:01,510 --> 00:22:00,320
those times and see if more people can

552
00:22:04,070 --> 00:22:01,520
come forward

553
00:22:04,710 --> 00:22:04,080
uh with information on this i guess i'm

554
00:22:07,510 --> 00:22:04,720
really

555
00:22:10,149 --> 00:22:07,520
more intrigued that you know the person

556
00:22:13,750 --> 00:22:10,159
makes claims of what they say 20 to 30

557
00:22:16,310 --> 00:22:13,760
individuals of both sexes 20 to 34

558
00:22:18,390 --> 00:22:16,320
individuals of both sexes where now

559
00:22:22,230 --> 00:22:18,400
where he got these numbers that

560
00:22:23,350 --> 00:22:22,240
he didn't say i will say i will say

561
00:22:27,669 --> 00:22:23,360
though

562
00:22:28,789 --> 00:22:27,679
that he he was an investigator when he

563
00:22:30,310 --> 00:22:28,799
was in the service

564
00:22:33,750 --> 00:22:30,320
okay when he was still active in the

565
00:22:37,110 --> 00:22:33,760
service and when he retired

566
00:22:40,070 --> 00:22:37,120
he became a uh he became a pi

567
00:22:41,029 --> 00:22:40,080
private investigator so that's that was

568
00:22:43,350 --> 00:22:41,039
his job now

569
00:22:45,270 --> 00:22:43,360
i i think he may have retired all

570
00:22:49,190 --> 00:22:45,280
together recently

571
00:22:52,390 --> 00:22:49,200
but uh when he saw the um

572
00:22:55,590 --> 00:22:52,400
when he sold my experience

573
00:22:56,789 --> 00:22:55,600
on on television when it was on monsters

574
00:22:59,990 --> 00:22:56,799
and mysteries in america

575
00:23:03,430 --> 00:23:00,000
he called me and uh

576
00:23:05,029 --> 00:23:03,440
that's when he told me about somebody

577
00:23:07,029 --> 00:23:05,039
this monkey house thing and it's

578
00:23:09,510 --> 00:23:07,039
something i had heard of later

579
00:23:11,270 --> 00:23:09,520
no when i did when i had the encounter

580
00:23:13,669 --> 00:23:11,280
and started investigating

581
00:23:14,630 --> 00:23:13,679
with other witnesses i never heard of it

582
00:23:18,149 --> 00:23:14,640
before

583
00:23:20,830 --> 00:23:18,159
but he he went back and and found

584
00:23:22,950 --> 00:23:20,840
the reference by one of the original

585
00:23:26,710 --> 00:23:22,960
witnesses to the uh

586
00:23:28,950 --> 00:23:26,720
story in the the baltimore afro-american

587
00:23:31,669 --> 00:23:28,960
newspaper who did the initial

588
00:23:34,470 --> 00:23:31,679
investigation

589
00:23:35,990 --> 00:23:34,480
so then you know so now you know he

590
00:23:38,870 --> 00:23:36,000
thought it was curious

591
00:23:40,710 --> 00:23:38,880
with this thing you know at edgewood and

592
00:23:42,070 --> 00:23:40,720
uh

593
00:23:44,310 --> 00:23:42,080
now that information but that

594
00:23:46,070 --> 00:23:44,320
information that he had that specific

595
00:23:48,710 --> 00:23:46,080
information that he had

596
00:23:49,669 --> 00:23:48,720
i have no idea where he got it and

597
00:23:51,669 --> 00:23:49,679
that's why i

598
00:23:53,029 --> 00:23:51,679
have been asking and been looking around

599
00:23:55,269 --> 00:23:53,039
for people that

600
00:23:56,870 --> 00:23:55,279
may possibly know something i have

601
00:23:58,870 --> 00:23:56,880
talked to a few

602
00:24:00,310 --> 00:23:58,880
and uh you know around i don't know if

603
00:24:01,750 --> 00:24:00,320
you're familiar with the baltimore

604
00:24:03,830 --> 00:24:01,760
washington area well

605
00:24:05,110 --> 00:24:03,840
you know it's a government facilities

606
00:24:08,710 --> 00:24:05,120
everywhere

607
00:24:11,350 --> 00:24:08,720
and uh the the military

608
00:24:11,830 --> 00:24:11,360
has a lot of research facilities and you

609
00:24:16,070 --> 00:24:11,840
know

610
00:24:17,430 --> 00:24:16,080
i i would say that at least 30 percent

611
00:24:19,190 --> 00:24:17,440
of the population

612
00:24:21,029 --> 00:24:19,200
in this area works somewhere for the

613
00:24:23,269 --> 00:24:21,039
government either the state or

614
00:24:24,070 --> 00:24:23,279
federal government we're so close to

615
00:24:26,390 --> 00:24:24,080
washington

616
00:24:27,830 --> 00:24:26,400
and i mean there's just a lot of places

617
00:24:31,110 --> 00:24:27,840
and even down into

618
00:24:33,590 --> 00:24:31,120
virginia so you know

619
00:24:34,789 --> 00:24:33,600
the united states government does have a

620
00:24:39,750 --> 00:24:34,799
lot

621
00:24:42,070 --> 00:24:39,760
about of course

622
00:24:42,789 --> 00:24:42,080
you know i there i i had found out that

623
00:24:49,669 --> 00:24:42,799
there was a

624
00:24:52,310 --> 00:24:49,679
less than a mile away from me not long

625
00:24:55,669 --> 00:24:54,789
and that it was it was actually a

626
00:24:58,310 --> 00:24:55,679
retired

627
00:24:59,669 --> 00:24:58,320
missile silo i never knew it was there

628
00:25:00,950 --> 00:24:59,679
we got to watch out for these missiles

629
00:25:04,390 --> 00:25:00,960
right now there you go so it's

630
00:25:05,029 --> 00:25:04,400
um you know so there there is a lot of

631
00:25:07,190 --> 00:25:05,039
stuff

632
00:25:09,029 --> 00:25:07,200
in the area and but there are a lot of

633
00:25:10,870 --> 00:25:09,039
people that worked at these facilities

634
00:25:13,190 --> 00:25:10,880
and you know of course people were

635
00:25:14,789 --> 00:25:13,200
i don't know what kind of non-disclosure

636
00:25:15,430 --> 00:25:14,799
agreements they have when they retire

637
00:25:18,870 --> 00:25:15,440
and

638
00:25:19,590 --> 00:25:18,880
uh or how long before they can discuss

639
00:25:21,590 --> 00:25:19,600
anything

640
00:25:23,350 --> 00:25:21,600
you do get a few people that will come

641
00:25:27,590 --> 00:25:23,360
forward occasionally

642
00:25:27,990 --> 00:25:27,600
uh but it's not you know for the amount

643
00:25:29,750 --> 00:25:28,000
of people

644
00:25:31,430 --> 00:25:29,760
that are out there it's really not easy

645
00:25:32,789 --> 00:25:31,440
to get them to tell you anything

646
00:25:34,630 --> 00:25:32,799
well no one wants to lose their pension

647
00:25:36,870 --> 00:25:34,640
in this economy absolutely

648
00:25:38,230 --> 00:25:36,880
and i i can't blame them but some of the

649
00:25:39,990 --> 00:25:38,240
information

650
00:25:42,549 --> 00:25:40,000
that you know bits and pieces i have

651
00:25:45,750 --> 00:25:42,559
gotten are fairly interesting

652
00:25:46,870 --> 00:25:45,760
and uh yeah so you know we'll see maybe

653
00:25:48,950 --> 00:25:46,880
we'll get something else

654
00:25:51,029 --> 00:25:48,960
well you know you think about things

655
00:25:53,029 --> 00:25:51,039
like uh stalin's eight men

656
00:25:54,710 --> 00:25:53,039
and who the heck knows what the hell the

657
00:25:58,310 --> 00:25:54,720
nazis were into

658
00:26:00,230 --> 00:25:58,320
and where we're at with technology now

659
00:26:01,990 --> 00:26:00,240
and biotechnology and genetic

660
00:26:06,310 --> 00:26:02,000
engineering and the mapping of the gmo

661
00:26:08,149 --> 00:26:06,320
genome and those sorts of uh

662
00:26:09,430 --> 00:26:08,159
you know projects that are going on out

663
00:26:12,230 --> 00:26:09,440
there in research

664
00:26:13,269 --> 00:26:12,240
what can we do today that we couldn't do

665
00:26:16,470 --> 00:26:13,279
50 years ago

666
00:26:18,070 --> 00:26:16,480
60 years ago and that that that bothers

667
00:26:19,590 --> 00:26:18,080
me a little bit so

668
00:26:22,230 --> 00:26:19,600
i don't know and i guess we're just

669
00:26:23,909 --> 00:26:22,240
gonna have to chop this one up to

670
00:26:25,430 --> 00:26:23,919
wait and see and see if we hear anything

671
00:26:27,510 --> 00:26:25,440
else well

672
00:26:29,269 --> 00:26:27,520
and we've got the perfect guest tonight

673
00:26:32,149 --> 00:26:29,279
for that because

674
00:26:32,549 --> 00:26:32,159
uh nick redfearn has been investigating

675
00:26:35,750 --> 00:26:32,559
this

676
00:26:39,350 --> 00:26:35,760
weird stuff these conspiracies uh

677
00:26:43,350 --> 00:26:39,360
in with cryptids and government

678
00:26:44,950 --> 00:26:43,360
nasa ufo ufos ufology

679
00:26:47,350 --> 00:26:44,960
for a long time now i've been writing

680
00:26:49,269 --> 00:26:47,360
about it so this uh

681
00:26:50,870 --> 00:26:49,279
you know this may be something that he

682
00:26:53,750 --> 00:26:50,880
can you know can cast you know get some

683
00:26:55,029 --> 00:26:53,760
matches too as well

684
00:26:57,029 --> 00:26:55,039
well it'll be interesting to get his

685
00:27:00,630 --> 00:26:57,039
take on this yeah

686
00:27:02,789 --> 00:27:00,640
yeah it will be so um i i guess that

687
00:27:05,110 --> 00:27:02,799
maybe we should take a break bring nick

688
00:27:06,870 --> 00:27:05,120
on here and uh

689
00:27:08,710 --> 00:27:06,880
go into the next segment yeah i guess

690
00:27:10,310 --> 00:27:08,720
we'll do that

691
00:27:11,590 --> 00:27:10,320
uh i guess i don't have anything else to

692
00:27:13,190 --> 00:27:11,600
talk about myself either a couple

693
00:27:14,950 --> 00:27:13,200
bigfoot reports came in long

694
00:27:16,470 --> 00:27:14,960
the last observations that we're going

695
00:27:19,430 --> 00:27:16,480
to investigate

696
00:27:19,990 --> 00:27:19,440
yes i just saw that today tom ferrance

697
00:27:21,190 --> 00:27:20,000
is uh

698
00:27:23,110 --> 00:27:21,200
on the case so we'll get some

699
00:27:23,830 --> 00:27:23,120
information shortly on that these

700
00:27:27,909 --> 00:27:23,840
missile

701
00:27:29,590 --> 00:27:27,919
california's got everybody's panties in

702
00:27:33,110 --> 00:27:29,600
a twist

703
00:27:36,710 --> 00:27:33,120
uh i think that was a sub-launch missile

704
00:27:38,149 --> 00:27:36,720
that uh yeah it was like a blue ball of

705
00:27:38,870 --> 00:27:38,159
light scared the hell out of a bunch of

706
00:27:40,950 --> 00:27:38,880
people

707
00:27:42,230 --> 00:27:40,960
in southern california yeah well you

708
00:27:44,389 --> 00:27:42,240
think that was the point it is an

709
00:27:46,470 --> 00:27:44,399
election year

710
00:27:47,510 --> 00:27:46,480
maybe maybe we need to be stronger on

711
00:27:50,389 --> 00:27:47,520
national defense

712
00:27:52,389 --> 00:27:50,399
fire missiles and another thing uh uh

713
00:27:55,669 --> 00:27:52,399
talking about the uh

714
00:27:58,389 --> 00:27:55,679
butch mentioned tonight about the um

715
00:27:59,190 --> 00:27:58,399
the pennsylvania dog man investigation

716
00:28:00,789 --> 00:27:59,200
that

717
00:28:03,669 --> 00:28:00,799
we're going to have some dates coming up

718
00:28:07,750 --> 00:28:03,679
for the next the next round of that

719
00:28:11,230 --> 00:28:07,760
uh the first the first investigation

720
00:28:15,190 --> 00:28:11,240
uh wasn't a whole lot but there was some

721
00:28:19,590 --> 00:28:15,200
strange i don't know

722
00:28:22,789 --> 00:28:19,600
it seemed like it was uh the locations

723
00:28:26,549 --> 00:28:22,799
were so quiet for some reason

724
00:28:28,230 --> 00:28:26,559
um you know he was explaining to it it

725
00:28:30,389 --> 00:28:28,240
sounded really eerie

726
00:28:32,389 --> 00:28:30,399
uh it's got my interest up i may have to

727
00:28:34,389 --> 00:28:32,399
go up there and check that out myself

728
00:28:35,750 --> 00:28:34,399
we'll get you out there long yeah i

729
00:28:39,190 --> 00:28:35,760
might have to go up there myself and

730
00:28:41,350 --> 00:28:39,200
looking around but um you know

731
00:28:42,870 --> 00:28:41,360
we'll see all right well let's take our

732
00:28:45,269 --> 00:28:42,880
break we got a little

733
00:28:46,549 --> 00:28:45,279
ozzy osbourne for the intermission and

734
00:28:47,510 --> 00:28:46,559
then we're going to bring on nick

735
00:28:50,630 --> 00:28:47,520
redfern

736
00:28:51,590 --> 00:28:50,640
to talk about men in black bloodlines of

737
00:28:53,190 --> 00:28:51,600
the gods and

738
00:28:55,430 --> 00:28:53,200
whatever else lon pulls out of the hat

739
00:28:58,389 --> 00:28:55,440
so stay tuned folk time for you to go

740
00:28:59,830 --> 00:28:58,399
and uh have a smoke get a cup of water

741
00:29:00,950 --> 00:28:59,840
maybe a cup of coffee whatever you need

742
00:29:07,990 --> 00:29:00,960
to hang with us

743
00:29:11,990 --> 00:29:10,630
and welcome back folks arcane radio sean

744
00:29:14,870 --> 00:29:12,000
the fork chop forker here

745
00:29:17,669 --> 00:29:14,880
with lon strickler and our guest tonight

746
00:29:19,750 --> 00:29:17,679
mr nick redfern and folks if you've been

747
00:29:21,750 --> 00:29:19,760
uh a listener of arcane radio or you

748
00:29:23,430 --> 00:29:21,760
have any interest in the paranormal

749
00:29:25,990 --> 00:29:23,440
then you already know who nick redford

750
00:29:27,909 --> 00:29:26,000
is and uh you know he's been on our show

751
00:29:30,630 --> 00:29:27,919
a couple times he's been with us on the

752
00:29:33,750 --> 00:29:30,640
old program beyond the edge radio and

753
00:29:35,350 --> 00:29:33,760
you can read uh nick's articles on jim

754
00:29:37,990 --> 00:29:35,360
herald.com

755
00:29:40,470 --> 00:29:38,000
uh and just about anywhere else that uh

756
00:29:42,310 --> 00:29:40,480
cryptozoology or ufo ology is

757
00:29:44,710 --> 00:29:42,320
abundant and nick thanks for joining us

758
00:29:46,149 --> 00:29:44,720
tonight here on arcane radio

759
00:29:48,149 --> 00:29:46,159
yeah sure thanks guys thanks for having

760
00:29:51,110 --> 00:29:48,159
me up it's our pleasure as always

761
00:29:52,310 --> 00:29:51,120
lon this is where you kick it in the

762
00:29:54,789 --> 00:29:52,320
gear big guy

763
00:29:55,669 --> 00:29:54,799
yeah nick you are you had mentioned to

764
00:29:58,310 --> 00:29:55,679
me that

765
00:29:59,269 --> 00:29:58,320
you you just are you're working on this

766
00:30:01,909 --> 00:29:59,279
uh

767
00:30:03,029 --> 00:30:01,919
the chupacabras book what is that all

768
00:30:04,710 --> 00:30:03,039
about

769
00:30:06,310 --> 00:30:04,720
well actually i'm not so much working on

770
00:30:08,230 --> 00:30:06,320
he actually came out about three or four

771
00:30:10,789 --> 00:30:08,240
weeks ago

772
00:30:11,830 --> 00:30:10,799
and uh it's called chupacabra road trip

773
00:30:14,470 --> 00:30:11,840
and it's about

774
00:30:16,710 --> 00:30:14,480
um it's like a road trip style diary

775
00:30:19,190 --> 00:30:16,720
type book on all the expeditions

776
00:30:20,950 --> 00:30:19,200
i've been on looking for the chupacabra

777
00:30:23,029 --> 00:30:20,960
and that sort of goes back to the

778
00:30:25,350 --> 00:30:23,039
original puerto rican reports

779
00:30:26,870 --> 00:30:25,360
um i've been to puerto rico many times

780
00:30:27,830 --> 00:30:26,880
looking for the chupacabra the first

781
00:30:31,110 --> 00:30:27,840
time in

782
00:30:34,470 --> 00:30:31,120
2004 in the most recent uh last year

783
00:30:34,950 --> 00:30:34,480
and so that the part of the book was

784
00:30:36,789 --> 00:30:34,960
sort of

785
00:30:38,950 --> 00:30:36,799
at two thirds of the book he's devoted

786
00:30:40,549 --> 00:30:38,960
to all the puerto rican expeditions

787
00:30:42,070 --> 00:30:40,559
and then the other third of the book or

788
00:30:44,470 --> 00:30:42,080
thereabouts is

789
00:30:45,830 --> 00:30:44,480
on the the so-called texas and american

790
00:30:48,020 --> 00:30:45,840
chupacabra

791
00:30:49,110 --> 00:30:48,030
and then through to

792
00:30:51,990 --> 00:30:49,120
[Music]

793
00:30:53,350 --> 00:30:52,000
mexico south america places like that so

794
00:30:55,190 --> 00:30:53,360
it's sort of written in the sort of

795
00:30:57,029 --> 00:30:55,200
spirit of a road trip you know hitting

796
00:30:58,950 --> 00:30:57,039
the road and and looking for the

797
00:31:02,149 --> 00:30:58,960
chupacabra

798
00:31:05,509 --> 00:31:02,159
so what have you come up with uh

799
00:31:06,450 --> 00:31:05,519
what what is the actual origin of this

800
00:31:07,509 --> 00:31:06,460
uh this crypt

801
00:31:09,990 --> 00:31:07,519
[Music]

802
00:31:11,190 --> 00:31:10,000
well it gets kind of confusing because i

803
00:31:13,430 --> 00:31:11,200
guess the term

804
00:31:15,350 --> 00:31:13,440
triple cab has become so iconic that any

805
00:31:17,430 --> 00:31:15,360
kind of weird-looking animal people say

806
00:31:20,789 --> 00:31:17,440
oh it's the chipper cabaret yeah

807
00:31:23,269 --> 00:31:20,799
um but of course you know we have the

808
00:31:25,430 --> 00:31:23,279
so the more modern era chupacabras in

809
00:31:29,110 --> 00:31:25,440
the us which are these sort of hairless

810
00:31:31,190 --> 00:31:29,120
coyote dogs um but the original

811
00:31:34,149 --> 00:31:31,200
uh chupacabra that surfaced in puerto

812
00:31:36,070 --> 00:31:34,159
rico in 1995 is described as a very sort

813
00:31:38,389 --> 00:31:36,080
of different looking creature

814
00:31:40,630 --> 00:31:38,399
um for people who don't know uh chub

815
00:31:41,430 --> 00:31:40,640
procab is a spanish term meaning goat

816
00:31:43,830 --> 00:31:41,440
sucker

817
00:31:45,750 --> 00:31:43,840
and it takes its name from the fact that

818
00:31:47,430 --> 00:31:45,760
when the wave of sightings began in

819
00:31:50,470 --> 00:31:47,440
puerto rico

820
00:31:52,070 --> 00:31:50,480
excuse me in 1995

821
00:31:53,830 --> 00:31:52,080
a lot of the animals that were attacked

822
00:31:54,470 --> 00:31:53,840
were far-harm animals and particularly

823
00:31:56,070 --> 00:31:54,480
goats

824
00:31:59,029 --> 00:31:56,080
and there were a lot of rumors about the

825
00:32:02,310 --> 00:31:59,039
animals being drained of blood now

826
00:32:04,070 --> 00:32:02,320
1995 you know i was aware of the

827
00:32:05,909 --> 00:32:04,080
chupacabra phenomenon through sort of

828
00:32:07,029 --> 00:32:05,919
magazines and newsletters you know there

829
00:32:09,190 --> 00:32:07,039
wasn't much of a

830
00:32:10,549 --> 00:32:09,200
an internet back then at all just you

831
00:32:14,070 --> 00:32:10,559
know very basic

832
00:32:15,509 --> 00:32:14,080
um so we're reliant on you know just

833
00:32:17,269 --> 00:32:15,519
wait for magazine stories and

834
00:32:17,909 --> 00:32:17,279
newsletters to come out on the latest

835
00:32:20,389 --> 00:32:17,919
news but

836
00:32:21,509 --> 00:32:20,399
um as i said the first time i went to

837
00:32:24,389 --> 00:32:21,519
puerto rico

838
00:32:26,549 --> 00:32:24,399
was in 2004 and i think it's like any

839
00:32:28,630 --> 00:32:26,559
aspect of cryptozoology

840
00:32:30,149 --> 00:32:28,640
the best way to go answer to get answers

841
00:32:32,230 --> 00:32:30,159
is to go and look for these things

842
00:32:33,430 --> 00:32:32,240
whether it's bigfoot like monsters or

843
00:32:35,750 --> 00:32:33,440
chupacabra

844
00:32:37,430 --> 00:32:35,760
you know field work i don't think

845
00:32:38,310 --> 00:32:37,440
anything will ever sort of replace that

846
00:32:41,669 --> 00:32:38,320
in terms of

847
00:32:43,269 --> 00:32:41,679
importance um and just for me at least

848
00:32:45,830 --> 00:32:43,279
when i went in 2004

849
00:32:48,230 --> 00:32:45,840
this was with um a team from the sci-fi

850
00:32:49,990 --> 00:32:48,240
channel for a show called proof positive

851
00:32:51,430 --> 00:32:50,000
um i don't think there's any better way

852
00:32:54,549 --> 00:32:51,440
than to sort of be thrust

853
00:32:56,549 --> 00:32:54,559
right into the heart of it and um in the

854
00:32:59,110 --> 00:32:56,559
eight to nine days were there we

855
00:33:00,630 --> 00:32:59,120
interviewed ranchers police officers

856
00:33:03,350 --> 00:33:00,640
veterinarians

857
00:33:04,950 --> 00:33:03,360
eyewitnesses dozens of people who had

858
00:33:06,950 --> 00:33:04,960
some sort of involvement

859
00:33:09,029 --> 00:33:06,960
in the chupacabra mystery and it really

860
00:33:11,509 --> 00:33:09,039
sort of opened my eyes to the idea that

861
00:33:13,509 --> 00:33:11,519
well not the idea but you know the

862
00:33:15,190 --> 00:33:13,519
reality of it to me was and still is

863
00:33:17,350 --> 00:33:15,200
that there's a genuine

864
00:33:18,470 --> 00:33:17,360
unknown creature known as the chupacabra

865
00:33:21,269 --> 00:33:18,480
on puerto rico

866
00:33:24,070 --> 00:33:21,279
the big question still is years later

867
00:33:26,470 --> 00:33:24,080
you know what is it

868
00:33:27,750 --> 00:33:26,480
yeah yeah that's that's that is the big

869
00:33:29,509 --> 00:33:27,760
question what is this thing

870
00:33:30,950 --> 00:33:29,519
is it is is it actually something

871
00:33:34,789 --> 00:33:30,960
natural or is there

872
00:33:37,830 --> 00:33:34,799
a possibility that it could be uh alien

873
00:33:39,509 --> 00:33:37,840
well you know i mean the several um

874
00:33:41,190 --> 00:33:39,519
different theories that i've heard every

875
00:33:43,350 --> 00:33:41,200
time i've been to puerto rico

876
00:33:44,389 --> 00:33:43,360
you know coming from the the locals and

877
00:33:46,710 --> 00:33:44,399
the witnesses

878
00:33:48,870 --> 00:33:46,720
and it typically falls into several

879
00:33:51,110 --> 00:33:48,880
camps you get these people who

880
00:33:52,950 --> 00:33:51,120
think that it's it's some form of

881
00:33:54,630 --> 00:33:52,960
unknown animal you know just an unknown

882
00:33:56,070 --> 00:33:54,640
animal the science hasn't found or

883
00:33:58,149 --> 00:33:56,080
classified yet

884
00:33:59,350 --> 00:33:58,159
um then you have as you said the the

885
00:34:01,110 --> 00:33:59,360
alien theory

886
00:34:03,269 --> 00:34:01,120
people have drawn a parallel with the

887
00:34:04,070 --> 00:34:03,279
fact that admittedly there are a lot of

888
00:34:05,990 --> 00:34:04,080
ufo

889
00:34:07,590 --> 00:34:06,000
sightings in puerto rico and

890
00:34:09,349 --> 00:34:07,600
particularly around the elk the huge

891
00:34:11,109 --> 00:34:09,359
aliyante rain forest

892
00:34:12,790 --> 00:34:11,119
which dominates much of puerto rico and

893
00:34:15,109 --> 00:34:12,800
where they've also been a lot of

894
00:34:17,190 --> 00:34:15,119
chipper cabaret encounters then there's

895
00:34:20,629 --> 00:34:17,200
sort of the conspiracy tinged

896
00:34:21,990 --> 00:34:20,639
um theory that the the chupacabras are

897
00:34:24,790 --> 00:34:22,000
some sort of weird

898
00:34:25,669 --> 00:34:24,800
genetic experiment done by military

899
00:34:28,310 --> 00:34:25,679
agencies

900
00:34:29,030 --> 00:34:28,320
gene splicing and that kind of thing and

901
00:34:32,470 --> 00:34:29,040
then you have the

902
00:34:34,389 --> 00:34:32,480
the fourth theory um the idea that the

903
00:34:36,710 --> 00:34:34,399
creature is something like literally

904
00:34:38,470 --> 00:34:36,720
supernatural or paranormal

905
00:34:40,470 --> 00:34:38,480
uh rather than a flesh and blood animal

906
00:34:42,149 --> 00:34:40,480
and you know regardless of which one

907
00:34:43,510 --> 00:34:42,159
of these theories is correct and it

908
00:34:46,069 --> 00:34:43,520
could even be another one

909
00:34:47,669 --> 00:34:46,079
um the the important thing is i've heard

910
00:34:49,909 --> 00:34:47,679
these stories every time i've been to

911
00:34:52,629 --> 00:34:49,919
puerto rico and um

912
00:34:53,750 --> 00:34:52,639
you know so it it's clearly permeated if

913
00:34:56,230 --> 00:34:53,760
you like throughout

914
00:34:56,950 --> 00:34:56,240
the entirety of puerto rican society and

915
00:34:59,270 --> 00:34:56,960
culture

916
00:35:01,109 --> 00:34:59,280
and um as far as the physical

917
00:35:02,150 --> 00:35:01,119
description of its concern it's

918
00:35:05,270 --> 00:35:02,160
concerned

919
00:35:08,390 --> 00:35:05,280
um as i said the american one you know

920
00:35:11,030 --> 00:35:08,400
typically these hairless dogs um

921
00:35:12,150 --> 00:35:11,040
but in puerto rico it's a two-legged

922
00:35:14,390 --> 00:35:12,160
creature

923
00:35:17,190 --> 00:35:14,400
a body kind of about the size and build

924
00:35:19,750 --> 00:35:17,200
of a chimpanzee but without the hair

925
00:35:21,510 --> 00:35:19,760
some witnesses talk about this row of

926
00:35:23,270 --> 00:35:21,520
sort of vicious looking spikes

927
00:35:24,710 --> 00:35:23,280
running down its head in the back of its

928
00:35:26,310 --> 00:35:24,720
neck and

929
00:35:27,990 --> 00:35:26,320
bizarrely some of the witnesses have

930
00:35:30,870 --> 00:35:28,000
even claimed that he had

931
00:35:31,589 --> 00:35:30,880
sort of back like membranous wings that

932
00:35:34,790 --> 00:35:31,599
kind of thing

933
00:35:36,069 --> 00:35:34,800
so um you know we're talking about very

934
00:35:37,990 --> 00:35:36,079
different to the

935
00:35:39,750 --> 00:35:38,000
american one it's something more like

936
00:35:42,310 --> 00:35:39,760
some witnesses have described it as

937
00:35:44,550 --> 00:35:42,320
looking not unlike a giant bat or

938
00:35:48,470 --> 00:35:44,560
something like that

939
00:35:51,510 --> 00:35:48,480
you know i i've read um i have read

940
00:35:53,670 --> 00:35:51,520
uh reports and i'm not necessarily

941
00:35:54,550 --> 00:35:53,680
necessarily those just out of puerto

942
00:35:57,030 --> 00:35:54,560
rico

943
00:35:58,069 --> 00:35:57,040
but there have seemed some flaps down in

944
00:36:01,510 --> 00:35:58,079
chile and down in

945
00:36:03,510 --> 00:36:01,520
south america as well but these things

946
00:36:05,270 --> 00:36:03,520
people would see these things jumping on

947
00:36:08,630 --> 00:36:05,280
the tops of houses

948
00:36:11,829 --> 00:36:08,640
and uh scurrying about and

949
00:36:12,710 --> 00:36:11,839
just literally that hard to catch uh has

950
00:36:15,589 --> 00:36:12,720
there ever been

951
00:36:17,190 --> 00:36:15,599
anything you know any type of evidence

952
00:36:19,190 --> 00:36:17,200
of these things

953
00:36:20,230 --> 00:36:19,200
well unfortunately it's like a lot of

954
00:36:22,790 --> 00:36:20,240
these cryptids you know

955
00:36:24,630 --> 00:36:22,800
the evidence that we have is not so much

956
00:36:24,950 --> 00:36:24,640
sort of physical evidence it's sort of

957
00:36:27,990 --> 00:36:24,960
the

958
00:36:30,390 --> 00:36:28,000
kind of like big for

959
00:36:31,109 --> 00:36:30,400
you know with the footprints or tree

960
00:36:33,990 --> 00:36:31,119
knocks and

961
00:36:36,069 --> 00:36:34,000
you know or uh chatter in the woods that

962
00:36:38,829 --> 00:36:36,079
that's recorded on audio equipment

963
00:36:41,270 --> 00:36:38,839
it's kind of similar with the chapacabra

964
00:36:42,790 --> 00:36:41,280
um i'll give you a few examples the

965
00:36:45,670 --> 00:36:42,800
first time i went there

966
00:36:46,870 --> 00:36:45,680
we visited um the branch of a farmer

967
00:36:50,150 --> 00:36:46,880
named nael

968
00:36:52,550 --> 00:36:50,160
and um he showed us how uh he had about

969
00:36:53,349 --> 00:36:52,560
like 20 cages in his backyard he bred

970
00:36:56,310 --> 00:36:53,359
chickens

971
00:36:57,030 --> 00:36:56,320
and um he showed us how these cages that

972
00:36:58,870 --> 00:36:57,040
have all been

973
00:37:01,990 --> 00:36:58,880
sort of opened some of them forced

974
00:37:04,630 --> 00:37:02,000
opened by something pretty strong

975
00:37:06,470 --> 00:37:04,640
and killed all the chickens inside

976
00:37:08,470 --> 00:37:06,480
bizarrely they were all killed silently

977
00:37:09,349 --> 00:37:08,480
there was no noise from any of them and

978
00:37:11,589 --> 00:37:09,359
his

979
00:37:13,430 --> 00:37:11,599
farm so to speak was just like a little

980
00:37:13,750 --> 00:37:13,440
house and the backyard was where he kept

981
00:37:31,510 --> 00:37:13,760
the

982
00:37:34,390 --> 00:37:31,520
we were shown um tracks reported um

983
00:37:35,990 --> 00:37:34,400
reportedly from the chupacabra which the

984
00:37:37,430 --> 00:37:36,000
problem was it was hard to

985
00:37:39,030 --> 00:37:37,440
distinguish what they were one of the

986
00:37:41,510 --> 00:37:39,040
main reasons being that

987
00:37:42,150 --> 00:37:41,520
the the prince we were shown on puerto

988
00:37:44,310 --> 00:37:42,160
rico

989
00:37:46,069 --> 00:37:44,320
um you know they get a lot of just heavy

990
00:37:48,150 --> 00:37:46,079
rain suddenly out of the blue

991
00:37:49,670 --> 00:37:48,160
and so some of these tracks have been

992
00:37:51,670 --> 00:37:49,680
distorted by

993
00:37:53,670 --> 00:37:51,680
you know the water coming down and then

994
00:37:56,069 --> 00:37:53,680
the mud you know and they get

995
00:37:58,390 --> 00:37:56,079
lengthened and you know the width

996
00:38:01,270 --> 00:37:58,400
changes because of the water and so on

997
00:38:02,870 --> 00:38:01,280
so in that sense you know it's difficult

998
00:38:05,349 --> 00:38:02,880
to sort of prove anything but what

999
00:38:07,190 --> 00:38:05,359
what really in terms of evidence what

1000
00:38:08,790 --> 00:38:07,200
what kind of convinced me

1001
00:38:10,150 --> 00:38:08,800
and i think this is something that you

1002
00:38:12,470 --> 00:38:10,160
know we always come back to was the

1003
00:38:14,950 --> 00:38:12,480
credibility of the witnesses i mean

1004
00:38:15,670 --> 00:38:14,960
some of the people we we interviewed and

1005
00:38:17,270 --> 00:38:15,680
when i say

1006
00:38:19,270 --> 00:38:17,280
interviewed i mean across sort of the 10

1007
00:38:21,589 --> 00:38:19,280
12 years um

1008
00:38:22,310 --> 00:38:21,599
were veterinarians who had autopsied

1009
00:38:24,310 --> 00:38:22,320
animals

1010
00:38:26,150 --> 00:38:24,320
attacked by allegedly attacked by the

1011
00:38:28,150 --> 00:38:26,160
chubby cabra and

1012
00:38:30,230 --> 00:38:28,160
they found puncture wounds on the neck

1013
00:38:32,710 --> 00:38:30,240
and then a third

1014
00:38:34,390 --> 00:38:32,720
puncture wound on the sternum that was

1015
00:38:37,349 --> 00:38:34,400
sort of something typical and but

1016
00:38:38,390 --> 00:38:37,359
atypical of you know regular animals

1017
00:38:41,750 --> 00:38:38,400
then there were the

1018
00:38:43,270 --> 00:38:41,760
um people who'd actually taken

1019
00:38:45,829 --> 00:38:43,280
photographs um

1020
00:38:48,069 --> 00:38:45,839
and prepared documents in on behalf of

1021
00:38:49,910 --> 00:38:48,079
the civil defense unit on puerto rico

1022
00:38:53,270 --> 00:38:49,920
i didn't realize until i went out there

1023
00:38:55,829 --> 00:38:53,280
on the second occasion in 2005 that the

1024
00:38:57,349 --> 00:38:55,839
particularly in the 1990s puerto rico's

1025
00:39:00,310 --> 00:38:57,359
civil defense unit

1026
00:39:01,030 --> 00:39:00,320
actually had a number of people who

1027
00:39:03,349 --> 00:39:01,040
pretty much

1028
00:39:04,710 --> 00:39:03,359
on a full-time basis for a while went

1029
00:39:06,710 --> 00:39:04,720
out to

1030
00:39:07,829 --> 00:39:06,720
sites of alleged attacks by the

1031
00:39:09,829 --> 00:39:07,839
chupacabra

1032
00:39:10,870 --> 00:39:09,839
photograph the areas interviewed the

1033
00:39:13,750 --> 00:39:10,880
witnesses

1034
00:39:15,430 --> 00:39:13,760
took pictures of the you know the dead

1035
00:39:17,670 --> 00:39:15,440
animals the victims

1036
00:39:18,790 --> 00:39:17,680
and prepared prepared official reports

1037
00:39:20,550 --> 00:39:18,800
um

1038
00:39:21,910 --> 00:39:20,560
when i went there in 2005 i was

1039
00:39:23,750 --> 00:39:21,920
fortunate enough to

1040
00:39:25,910 --> 00:39:23,760
meet this was actually with a canadian

1041
00:39:28,069 --> 00:39:25,920
tv company when i went the second time

1042
00:39:29,190 --> 00:39:28,079
and we met one of the retired civil

1043
00:39:32,069 --> 00:39:29,200
defense people

1044
00:39:33,430 --> 00:39:32,079
and he actually brought out for us um

1045
00:39:35,030 --> 00:39:33,440
one of these files which he'd been

1046
00:39:36,310 --> 00:39:35,040
allowed to keep when he was retired when

1047
00:39:38,470 --> 00:39:36,320
he retired because he

1048
00:39:40,310 --> 00:39:38,480
primarily put the file together and he

1049
00:39:41,829 --> 00:39:40,320
was about two inches thick

1050
00:39:44,310 --> 00:39:41,839
and it was feel it was kind of like a

1051
00:39:45,109 --> 00:39:44,320
real x-file if you like it was the

1052
00:39:48,950 --> 00:39:45,119
official

1053
00:39:51,270 --> 00:39:48,960
with

1054
00:39:52,230 --> 00:39:51,280
drawings paintings that the witnesses

1055
00:39:55,190 --> 00:39:52,240
had done

1056
00:39:55,990 --> 00:39:55,200
photographs of animal corpses lining the

1057
00:39:59,270 --> 00:39:56,000
fields and

1058
00:40:01,109 --> 00:39:59,280
etc so in other words we don't have that

1059
00:40:01,990 --> 00:40:01,119
smoking gun evidence but we have like a

1060
00:40:03,910 --> 00:40:02,000
lot of

1061
00:40:06,309 --> 00:40:03,920
circumstantial evidence as we do in

1062
00:40:09,510 --> 00:40:06,319
things you know like bigfoot or

1063
00:40:12,390 --> 00:40:09,520
nessie or whatever you know

1064
00:40:14,710 --> 00:40:12,400
uh do you know of any cases where humans

1065
00:40:16,790 --> 00:40:14,720
have been attacked by these

1066
00:40:19,109 --> 00:40:16,800
yeah i often get asked that question and

1067
00:40:21,510 --> 00:40:19,119
it's an interesting question because

1068
00:40:22,230 --> 00:40:21,520
again kind of like with the theories on

1069
00:40:24,550 --> 00:40:22,240
on what the

1070
00:40:26,069 --> 00:40:24,560
uh vocabulary vocabularies every time

1071
00:40:28,150 --> 00:40:26,079
i've been to puerto rico i've heard

1072
00:40:31,190 --> 00:40:28,160
stories of human attacks

1073
00:40:33,349 --> 00:40:31,200
um now i've have the big difference

1074
00:40:34,950 --> 00:40:33,359
between the human attack stories and the

1075
00:40:37,030 --> 00:40:34,960
animal attack stories

1076
00:40:39,030 --> 00:40:37,040
is that we've got a lot of evidence like

1077
00:40:41,430 --> 00:40:39,040
i said people defense documents

1078
00:40:43,750 --> 00:40:41,440
photographs witness testimony

1079
00:40:45,030 --> 00:40:43,760
the when it comes to the reports of

1080
00:40:47,990 --> 00:40:45,040
human attacks

1081
00:40:48,309 --> 00:40:48,000
all the stories i've got are secondhand

1082
00:40:52,309 --> 00:40:48,319
or

1083
00:40:54,470 --> 00:40:52,319
got personally to

1084
00:40:55,349 --> 00:40:54,480
you know a first-person situation where

1085
00:40:57,670 --> 00:40:55,359
they've said

1086
00:40:58,470 --> 00:40:57,680
it was my brother or my boss or whatever

1087
00:40:59,990 --> 00:40:58,480
who was

1088
00:41:02,150 --> 00:41:00,000
attacked and killed by one of these

1089
00:41:04,710 --> 00:41:02,160
creatures now

1090
00:41:06,390 --> 00:41:04,720
you could make the case that the you

1091
00:41:09,270 --> 00:41:06,400
know the human accounts are

1092
00:41:09,510 --> 00:41:09,280
friend of a friend tales based on you

1093
00:41:12,309 --> 00:41:09,520
know

1094
00:41:12,950 --> 00:41:12,319
exaggerations of or distortions of you

1095
00:41:15,670 --> 00:41:12,960
know the

1096
00:41:16,230 --> 00:41:15,680
attacks on animals but on the other hand

1097
00:41:19,030 --> 00:41:16,240
if

1098
00:41:20,550 --> 00:41:19,040
there is some a cover-up of chupacabra

1099
00:41:22,150 --> 00:41:20,560
activity on puerto rico and a lot of

1100
00:41:25,349 --> 00:41:22,160
people think that has been

1101
00:41:26,870 --> 00:41:25,359
um arguably attacks on people would be

1102
00:41:29,030 --> 00:41:26,880
the one thing more than anything else

1103
00:41:31,030 --> 00:41:29,040
that the authorities would want to clamp

1104
00:41:33,030 --> 00:41:31,040
down on and that you would find

1105
00:41:34,870 --> 00:41:33,040
pretty much nothing on because it would

1106
00:41:37,829 --> 00:41:34,880
make sense that forever

1107
00:41:39,270 --> 00:41:37,839
you know ensuring there's no hysteria

1108
00:41:41,190 --> 00:41:39,280
etc etc

1109
00:41:42,390 --> 00:41:41,200
those would be the cases rather than the

1110
00:41:43,990 --> 00:41:42,400
animal attacks that

1111
00:41:45,750 --> 00:41:44,000
like i said the government would clamp

1112
00:41:48,309 --> 00:41:45,760
down on um

1113
00:41:50,470 --> 00:41:48,319
so you know all i can sort of say is be

1114
00:41:52,790 --> 00:41:50,480
honest with you and say that yes i heard

1115
00:41:54,550 --> 00:41:52,800
stories but i was never able to really

1116
00:41:57,430 --> 00:41:54,560
get any you know nail anything down

1117
00:42:00,230 --> 00:41:57,440
definitive on the human angle

1118
00:42:02,470 --> 00:42:00,240
now the reports that come out of uh

1119
00:42:04,470 --> 00:42:02,480
other parts of latin america

1120
00:42:07,430 --> 00:42:04,480
uh are they fairly similar to the

1121
00:42:09,190 --> 00:42:07,440
reports in puerto rico

1122
00:42:11,430 --> 00:42:09,200
yeah they are i mean the one thing that

1123
00:42:12,150 --> 00:42:11,440
really sort of typifies the nature of

1124
00:42:14,550 --> 00:42:12,160
the

1125
00:42:15,349 --> 00:42:14,560
animals in puerto rico and also in south

1126
00:42:17,030 --> 00:42:15,359
america

1127
00:42:18,390 --> 00:42:17,040
it's not just the nature of the attacks

1128
00:42:20,470 --> 00:42:18,400
with these puncture wounds and

1129
00:42:22,870 --> 00:42:20,480
mutilations etc

1130
00:42:24,630 --> 00:42:22,880
but the agility of these creatures you

1131
00:42:26,470 --> 00:42:24,640
know they're not sort of large

1132
00:42:27,990 --> 00:42:26,480
lumbering things like bigfoot or the

1133
00:42:29,829 --> 00:42:28,000
yeti or anything like that

1134
00:42:31,270 --> 00:42:29,839
they're sort of when i made that analogy

1135
00:42:32,630 --> 00:42:31,280
with like chimpanzees

1136
00:42:34,630 --> 00:42:32,640
that kind of like that that's sort of

1137
00:42:36,630 --> 00:42:34,640
super fast you know where

1138
00:42:38,150 --> 00:42:36,640
some witnesses have said that they have

1139
00:42:40,150 --> 00:42:38,160
seen them

1140
00:42:41,910 --> 00:42:40,160
running no longer i say running at like

1141
00:42:43,670 --> 00:42:41,920
a slower pace on two limbs

1142
00:42:46,069 --> 00:42:43,680
but then sort of bounding along on four

1143
00:42:47,670 --> 00:42:46,079
limbs like like a chimpanzee will do you

1144
00:42:48,630 --> 00:42:47,680
know it'll when he's really charging

1145
00:42:50,150 --> 00:42:48,640
fast

1146
00:42:51,670 --> 00:42:50,160
attacking another animal or whatever you

1147
00:42:52,550 --> 00:42:51,680
know they they tend to use all four

1148
00:42:53,990 --> 00:42:52,560
limbs

1149
00:42:56,150 --> 00:42:54,000
and so that's one of the things that

1150
00:42:57,430 --> 00:42:56,160
typifies a lot of the chupacabra reports

1151
00:42:59,990 --> 00:42:57,440
is the speed

1152
00:43:01,670 --> 00:43:00,000
of the animal and the fact that you know

1153
00:43:03,589 --> 00:43:01,680
like a lot of other animals they

1154
00:43:06,630 --> 00:43:03,599
predominantly hunt at night

1155
00:43:07,270 --> 00:43:06,640
um and as i said these odd puncture

1156
00:43:13,270 --> 00:43:07,280
wounds

1157
00:43:15,030 --> 00:43:13,280
where that's the only you know um

1158
00:43:16,870 --> 00:43:15,040
evidence of the attack it's not like the

1159
00:43:19,109 --> 00:43:16,880
animals being torn apart or

1160
00:43:21,109 --> 00:43:19,119
dragged away as food it's just

1161
00:43:22,790 --> 00:43:21,119
whatever's attacked them as

1162
00:43:24,550 --> 00:43:22,800
has killed it with these puncture wounds

1163
00:43:26,390 --> 00:43:24,560
and and that's it and that's sort of

1164
00:43:27,030 --> 00:43:26,400
given rise to some of these theories

1165
00:43:34,230 --> 00:43:27,040
that

1166
00:43:36,150 --> 00:43:34,240
you know it's an interesting thing

1167
00:43:37,910 --> 00:43:36,160
again i heard this several times in

1168
00:43:38,790 --> 00:43:37,920
puerto rico about animals with blood

1169
00:43:41,030 --> 00:43:38,800
drain but

1170
00:43:43,589 --> 00:43:41,040
the problem was that you know the

1171
00:43:45,430 --> 00:43:43,599
average farmer on puerto rico

1172
00:43:47,109 --> 00:43:45,440
just doesn't have the money to hire a

1173
00:43:50,630 --> 00:43:47,119
veterinarian to come out and

1174
00:43:52,069 --> 00:43:50,640
perform all the necessary tests you know

1175
00:43:57,670 --> 00:43:52,079
unfortunately a lot of people on puerto

1176
00:44:01,030 --> 00:43:59,670
you know for the family not worrying

1177
00:44:03,750 --> 00:44:01,040
about or

1178
00:44:05,510 --> 00:44:03,760
you know informing some cryptozoologist

1179
00:44:09,030 --> 00:44:05,520
about

1180
00:44:11,270 --> 00:44:09,040
the dabber attack so in other words the

1181
00:44:12,790 --> 00:44:11,280
the evidence very often and like the you

1182
00:44:13,510 --> 00:44:12,800
know the blood sucking angle and things

1183
00:44:16,230 --> 00:44:13,520
like this

1184
00:44:18,550 --> 00:44:16,240
becomes under investigated because

1185
00:44:21,510 --> 00:44:18,560
nobody really can be bothered to

1186
00:44:22,950 --> 00:44:21,520
um you know undertake them or hire

1187
00:44:24,790 --> 00:44:22,960
somebody to do it and again it's

1188
00:44:26,790 --> 00:44:24,800
not through any reason other than the

1189
00:44:28,309 --> 00:44:26,800
fact that the person

1190
00:44:30,069 --> 00:44:28,319
just doesn't have the funds you know in

1191
00:44:31,270 --> 00:44:30,079
these little villages or towns they're

1192
00:44:33,910 --> 00:44:31,280
just not able to

1193
00:44:34,390 --> 00:44:33,920
you know um to hire people to do it so

1194
00:44:37,510 --> 00:44:34,400
they

1195
00:44:39,349 --> 00:44:37,520
out you know that's basically what it

1196
00:44:41,910 --> 00:44:39,359
comes down to

1197
00:44:42,630 --> 00:44:41,920
now in the united states i know several

1198
00:44:46,230 --> 00:44:42,640
years ago

1199
00:44:48,790 --> 00:44:46,240
your friend john downes uh came into

1200
00:44:50,470 --> 00:44:48,800
the united states to look at these uh

1201
00:44:51,430 --> 00:44:50,480
blue dogs or what he called them blue

1202
00:44:54,150 --> 00:44:51,440
dogs which were

1203
00:44:57,030 --> 00:44:54,160
yeah i think they're mostly a hybrid of

1204
00:44:58,069 --> 00:44:57,040
coyotes and mexican wolves or whatever

1205
00:45:01,510 --> 00:44:58,079
they are

1206
00:45:05,030 --> 00:45:01,520
but um do they actually um

1207
00:45:07,990 --> 00:45:05,040
do they actually kill like the these

1208
00:45:09,990 --> 00:45:08,000
cuba cobbers in latin america or is it

1209
00:45:12,150 --> 00:45:10,000
something entirely different

1210
00:45:13,589 --> 00:45:12,160
well the the south american one actually

1211
00:45:16,069 --> 00:45:13,599
sounds more like

1212
00:45:17,750 --> 00:45:16,079
the puerto rican one but yeah this is

1213
00:45:19,270 --> 00:45:17,760
where it gets confusing because the the

1214
00:45:21,510 --> 00:45:19,280
american one that you're talking about

1215
00:45:24,069 --> 00:45:21,520
you know when john came over and um

1216
00:45:26,230 --> 00:45:24,079
he hung out with ken uh gerhard for a

1217
00:45:27,109 --> 00:45:26,240
few days down in san antonio where ken

1218
00:45:28,870 --> 00:45:27,119
lives and

1219
00:45:30,230 --> 00:45:28,880
there's no doubt that you know ken's

1220
00:45:31,910 --> 00:45:30,240
done more research

1221
00:45:34,550 --> 00:45:31,920
than anybody on the you know the

1222
00:45:37,589 --> 00:45:34,560
american texas chupacabra

1223
00:45:38,870 --> 00:45:37,599
um and i interviewed ken extensively for

1224
00:45:42,150 --> 00:45:38,880
the book and um

1225
00:45:43,670 --> 00:45:42,160
can actually open my eyes to some really

1226
00:45:46,710 --> 00:45:43,680
intriguing stuff and

1227
00:45:48,230 --> 00:45:46,720
i mean the big difference between the

1228
00:45:49,829 --> 00:45:48,240
the puerto rican chupacabra and the

1229
00:45:52,230 --> 00:45:49,839
american one and bigfoot

1230
00:45:53,829 --> 00:45:52,240
is that we actually have the bodies of

1231
00:45:55,910 --> 00:45:53,839
you know the american one

1232
00:45:57,510 --> 00:45:55,920
and they've been hit by vehicles they've

1233
00:45:59,190 --> 00:45:57,520
been shot by branches and we know from

1234
00:46:01,589 --> 00:45:59,200
dna but as you said

1235
00:46:02,309 --> 00:46:01,599
you know they're either coyotes or

1236
00:46:05,190 --> 00:46:02,319
they're

1237
00:46:06,710 --> 00:46:05,200
coyote crosses with uh walls and

1238
00:46:09,349 --> 00:46:06,720
sometimes with dogs

1239
00:46:10,390 --> 00:46:09,359
but the interesting thing is that why

1240
00:46:12,150 --> 00:46:10,400
they

1241
00:46:13,829 --> 00:46:12,160
actually are an anomaly are some of the

1242
00:46:14,309 --> 00:46:13,839
physical issues that are going on with

1243
00:46:17,670 --> 00:46:14,319
them

1244
00:46:19,750 --> 00:46:17,680
for example um the skeptics have said

1245
00:46:22,950 --> 00:46:19,760
well they're just coyotes with mange

1246
00:46:24,790 --> 00:46:22,960
but if you look at your average coyote

1247
00:46:26,710 --> 00:46:24,800
or animal with mange which is you know

1248
00:46:29,510 --> 00:46:26,720
conditioned caused by a mite

1249
00:46:31,349 --> 00:46:29,520
where it causes intense irritation hair

1250
00:46:33,030 --> 00:46:31,359
falls out in clumps they scratch

1251
00:46:34,870 --> 00:46:33,040
themselves to the point where

1252
00:46:36,390 --> 00:46:34,880
they dig so deep because they're itching

1253
00:46:39,270 --> 00:46:36,400
so badly but

1254
00:46:40,470 --> 00:46:39,280
um infection sets in they get sick and

1255
00:46:42,150 --> 00:46:40,480
very often die

1256
00:46:43,670 --> 00:46:42,160
and because their hair is in clumps they

1257
00:46:47,030 --> 00:46:43,680
look really sickly

1258
00:46:49,670 --> 00:46:47,040
but these um texas chupacabra

1259
00:46:51,349 --> 00:46:49,680
they're almost uniformly hairless you

1260
00:46:55,030 --> 00:46:51,359
know completely hairless

1261
00:46:57,750 --> 00:46:55,040
almost completely totally on top of that

1262
00:46:58,550 --> 00:46:57,760
they have a significant overbite in many

1263
00:47:01,750 --> 00:46:58,560
cases

1264
00:47:04,069 --> 00:47:01,760
um and which is not normal you know

1265
00:47:06,790 --> 00:47:04,079
the jaws should be uniform in some of

1266
00:47:08,950 --> 00:47:06,800
the cases they have these weird pouches

1267
00:47:10,069 --> 00:47:08,960
on their on their hind limbs which no

1268
00:47:12,069 --> 00:47:10,079
one has really

1269
00:47:14,069 --> 00:47:12,079
explained properly what they are

1270
00:47:14,470 --> 00:47:14,079
somebody some researchers have suggested

1271
00:47:16,309 --> 00:47:14,480
their

1272
00:47:18,309 --> 00:47:16,319
the equivalence of calluses or something

1273
00:47:19,990 --> 00:47:18,319
like that but that doesn't really

1274
00:47:22,470 --> 00:47:20,000
answer the question you know if you

1275
00:47:25,510 --> 00:47:22,480
google texas triple cover plus

1276
00:47:27,190 --> 00:47:25,520
um calluses and things like that or

1277
00:47:28,870 --> 00:47:27,200
you know lumps on the hindquarters

1278
00:47:31,030 --> 00:47:28,880
you'll see some photographs

1279
00:47:32,950 --> 00:47:31,040
um and then there's also the fact that

1280
00:47:35,349 --> 00:47:32,960
the front limbs of these animals

1281
00:47:37,270 --> 00:47:35,359
seem to be developing at a shorter

1282
00:47:40,870 --> 00:47:37,280
length so it gives them this weird

1283
00:47:43,589 --> 00:47:40,880
kangaroo like hopkins movements um

1284
00:47:45,109 --> 00:47:43,599
so it's ken has suggested that what we

1285
00:47:48,870 --> 00:47:45,119
might be looking at

1286
00:47:50,829 --> 00:47:48,880
is um he's like a population of the

1287
00:47:52,950 --> 00:47:50,839
certainly the sort of the south and

1288
00:47:55,430 --> 00:47:52,960
southwest portions of the us

1289
00:47:56,870 --> 00:47:55,440
that are being affected and that are

1290
00:47:59,990 --> 00:47:56,880
mutating

1291
00:48:02,710 --> 00:48:00,000
and um what ken's found out in

1292
00:48:03,990 --> 00:48:02,720
particularly in texas is that where a

1293
00:48:06,390 --> 00:48:04,000
lot of the clusters

1294
00:48:08,870 --> 00:48:06,400
of these animals have been seen is in

1295
00:48:11,109 --> 00:48:08,880
the vicinity of coal burning plants

1296
00:48:12,230 --> 00:48:11,119
now a lot of these coal burning plants

1297
00:48:15,270 --> 00:48:12,240
give off what's called

1298
00:48:16,230 --> 00:48:15,280
sulfur dioxide which is a mutagen now a

1299
00:48:17,910 --> 00:48:16,240
mutagen

1300
00:48:19,829 --> 00:48:17,920
if it gets into the bloodstream of like

1301
00:48:22,470 --> 00:48:19,839
a pregnant woman or an animal

1302
00:48:23,109 --> 00:48:22,480
it can cause disastrous mutations

1303
00:48:24,790 --> 00:48:23,119
probably

1304
00:48:26,309 --> 00:48:24,800
the worst is like mercury you know

1305
00:48:27,190 --> 00:48:26,319
somebody ingests mercury and they're

1306
00:48:28,950 --> 00:48:27,200
pregnant

1307
00:48:30,230 --> 00:48:28,960
you know it can cause terrible

1308
00:48:33,829 --> 00:48:30,240
deformities

1309
00:48:35,829 --> 00:48:33,839
um but sometimes mutagens can actually

1310
00:48:36,309 --> 00:48:35,839
work in the favor of the animal in odd

1311
00:48:38,549 --> 00:48:36,319
way

1312
00:48:39,910 --> 00:48:38,559
for example if there's a famous storage

1313
00:48:43,829 --> 00:48:39,920
you can find on the internet

1314
00:48:47,190 --> 00:48:43,839
of how in minnesota excuse me minnesota

1315
00:48:49,109 --> 00:48:47,200
pond in 1995 frogs were being found with

1316
00:48:50,630 --> 00:48:49,119
all sorts of weird mutations like extra

1317
00:48:53,510 --> 00:48:50,640
limbs even extra eyes

1318
00:48:56,069 --> 00:48:53,520
but which were fully functioning and um

1319
00:48:57,750 --> 00:48:56,079
this was put down to mutagens so ken has

1320
00:49:00,309 --> 00:48:57,760
suspected that

1321
00:49:02,630 --> 00:49:00,319
we still suspect that what we might be

1322
00:49:03,829 --> 00:49:02,640
seeing is some sort of spontaneous

1323
00:49:06,549 --> 00:49:03,839
mutation

1324
00:49:08,710 --> 00:49:06,559
creating these or mutating these animals

1325
00:49:10,710 --> 00:49:08,720
from their normal coyote state

1326
00:49:13,750 --> 00:49:10,720
into something that has led them to be

1327
00:49:16,549 --> 00:49:13,760
called the texas chupacabra

1328
00:49:17,990 --> 00:49:16,559
so he believes there are actual breeding

1329
00:49:20,870 --> 00:49:18,000
populations

1330
00:49:21,990 --> 00:49:20,880
that you know didn't become um sterile

1331
00:49:25,109 --> 00:49:22,000
through the

1332
00:49:25,829 --> 00:49:25,119
hybridization no that they're actually

1333
00:49:27,829 --> 00:49:25,839
not still

1334
00:49:29,589 --> 00:49:27,839
we know this because um there are a

1335
00:49:29,990 --> 00:49:29,599
number of photographs now where you can

1336
00:49:31,829 --> 00:49:30,000
see the

1337
00:49:33,270 --> 00:49:31,839
pups in the pictures as well they're

1338
00:49:35,270 --> 00:49:33,280
completely careless

1339
00:49:36,630 --> 00:49:35,280
you know and uh and there's also some

1340
00:49:39,109 --> 00:49:36,640
weird

1341
00:49:39,670 --> 00:49:39,119
psychological angles going on with them

1342
00:49:41,829 --> 00:49:39,680
as well

1343
00:49:43,750 --> 00:49:41,839
you know most regular coyotes most

1344
00:49:46,710 --> 00:49:43,760
people never see them even if they live

1345
00:49:48,549 --> 00:49:46,720
you know fairly close to resident

1346
00:49:51,510 --> 00:49:48,559
populations because they come out to

1347
00:49:53,270 --> 00:49:51,520
hunt at night one of the reasons why so

1348
00:49:54,309 --> 00:49:53,280
many of these animals have been killed

1349
00:49:56,549 --> 00:49:54,319
in texas

1350
00:49:57,349 --> 00:49:56,559
uh or hit by cars or you know shot by

1351
00:49:58,630 --> 00:49:57,359
ranchers

1352
00:50:00,630 --> 00:49:58,640
is because they actually come out and

1353
00:50:02,390 --> 00:50:00,640
hunt during the day they're very

1354
00:50:05,190 --> 00:50:02,400
prolific during the day

1355
00:50:07,030 --> 00:50:05,200
you know which isn't normal and i've

1356
00:50:08,710 --> 00:50:07,040
actually got one sort of very weird and

1357
00:50:11,109 --> 00:50:08,720
creepy story where

1358
00:50:11,990 --> 00:50:11,119
but again it suggests like the mindset

1359
00:50:14,549 --> 00:50:12,000
of these creatures is

1360
00:50:16,470 --> 00:50:14,559
also changing it came from a rancher you

1361
00:50:20,309 --> 00:50:16,480
know sort of typical texas rancher

1362
00:50:22,549 --> 00:50:20,319
big guy truck gun um and he's

1363
00:50:24,470 --> 00:50:22,559
um farmed just between san antonio and

1364
00:50:26,309 --> 00:50:24,480
austin had been attacked on a number of

1365
00:50:26,710 --> 00:50:26,319
occasions and he lost some animals and

1366
00:50:29,910 --> 00:50:26,720
he

1367
00:50:32,069 --> 00:50:29,920
you know decided enough's enough and

1368
00:50:33,510 --> 00:50:32,079
because he'd seen this animal a number

1369
00:50:35,190 --> 00:50:33,520
of times during the day

1370
00:50:37,030 --> 00:50:35,200
he went out looking for it and sure

1371
00:50:37,589 --> 00:50:37,040
enough he saw it in one of the fields he

1372
00:50:39,910 --> 00:50:37,599
was actually

1373
00:50:40,630 --> 00:50:39,920
just just sort of humbling across quite

1374
00:50:43,190 --> 00:50:40,640
slowly

1375
00:50:44,309 --> 00:50:43,200
and uh it stopped and stared at him at a

1376
00:50:46,309 --> 00:50:44,319
distance from

1377
00:50:47,510 --> 00:50:46,319
i did i think about 150 feet maybe

1378
00:50:51,190 --> 00:50:47,520
something like that

1379
00:50:52,790 --> 00:50:51,200
he got out of his truck and was about to

1380
00:50:54,710 --> 00:50:52,800
get it in his sights

1381
00:50:56,309 --> 00:50:54,720
and then he got this sensation that we

1382
00:50:57,589 --> 00:50:56,319
all get from time to time that

1383
00:50:58,950 --> 00:50:57,599
somebody's watching you

1384
00:51:00,309 --> 00:50:58,960
you know you flip around like you're in

1385
00:51:02,069 --> 00:51:00,319
the queue at the local store and

1386
00:51:05,349 --> 00:51:02,079
somebody is watching you know

1387
00:51:07,190 --> 00:51:05,359
uh we all get that um and

1388
00:51:09,030 --> 00:51:07,200
he looked round to his left and saw

1389
00:51:10,950 --> 00:51:09,040
another one of these things

1390
00:51:12,870 --> 00:51:10,960
to his left about roughly the same

1391
00:51:15,349 --> 00:51:12,880
distance maybe a little bit less

1392
00:51:16,950 --> 00:51:15,359
and then to his right another and they

1393
00:51:18,670 --> 00:51:16,960
started moving in and he got

1394
00:51:20,470 --> 00:51:18,680
a sense that they were sort of like

1395
00:51:22,710 --> 00:51:20,480
triangulating him

1396
00:51:24,630 --> 00:51:22,720
and as i said you know there's a reason

1397
00:51:27,990 --> 00:51:24,640
why i mentioned you sort of typical big

1398
00:51:28,870 --> 00:51:28,000
you know macho texas rancher he raced

1399
00:51:30,950 --> 00:51:28,880
back for his

1400
00:51:32,870 --> 00:51:30,960
truck and locked the doors and drove off

1401
00:51:34,710 --> 00:51:32,880
and he told me he got like a really

1402
00:51:37,589 --> 00:51:34,720
eerie feeling that

1403
00:51:38,150 --> 00:51:37,599
they were sort of you know sizing him up

1404
00:51:40,309 --> 00:51:38,160
and

1405
00:51:42,390 --> 00:51:40,319
moving around him you know like a

1406
00:51:44,390 --> 00:51:42,400
triangulating fashion so

1407
00:51:46,069 --> 00:51:44,400
if that's true and you know i have no

1408
00:51:49,030 --> 00:51:46,079
reason to disbelieve that the guy

1409
00:51:50,870 --> 00:51:49,040
suggests some sort of you know as i said

1410
00:51:51,510 --> 00:51:50,880
like a psychological change in the

1411
00:51:53,510 --> 00:51:51,520
mindset

1412
00:51:56,150 --> 00:51:53,520
not just you know the the physical

1413
00:51:59,829 --> 00:51:56,160
issues as well

1414
00:52:03,349 --> 00:51:59,839
so do they do they feed like

1415
00:52:06,790 --> 00:52:03,359
normal uh uh predators or

1416
00:52:08,549 --> 00:52:06,800
do they do they drink blood as well

1417
00:52:09,910 --> 00:52:08,559
well this is where it gets interesting

1418
00:52:12,390 --> 00:52:09,920
because they

1419
00:52:13,270 --> 00:52:12,400
the initially the story was circulating

1420
00:52:14,790 --> 00:52:13,280
that these

1421
00:52:16,230 --> 00:52:14,800
things which people didn't really really

1422
00:52:18,390 --> 00:52:16,240
know what they were at first there's

1423
00:52:20,309 --> 00:52:18,400
stuff on the internet from like 2004

1424
00:52:22,470 --> 00:52:20,319
when people are saying they're like

1425
00:52:23,750 --> 00:52:22,480
giant mutated rats you know which is

1426
00:52:27,349 --> 00:52:23,760
what they look like

1427
00:52:29,910 --> 00:52:27,359
um but when the attacks first began

1428
00:52:31,430 --> 00:52:29,920
there were rumors of the animals

1429
00:52:33,670 --> 00:52:31,440
supposedly

1430
00:52:35,190 --> 00:52:33,680
draining or sucking the blood of the

1431
00:52:37,190 --> 00:52:35,200
farm animals they attacked now there's

1432
00:52:37,750 --> 00:52:37,200
no doubt their tap farm animals killed

1433
00:52:43,589 --> 00:52:37,760
them

1434
00:52:45,510 --> 00:52:43,599
presumably you know fed the young with

1435
00:52:47,990 --> 00:52:45,520
them as well

1436
00:52:50,150 --> 00:52:48,000
now when i've looked into this i have

1437
00:52:53,510 --> 00:52:50,160
never actually come across a case

1438
00:52:54,470 --> 00:52:53,520
which um demonstrates that any of these

1439
00:52:57,430 --> 00:52:54,480
animals

1440
00:52:57,750 --> 00:52:57,440
literally drink blood as a form of food

1441
00:53:00,309 --> 00:52:57,760
like

1442
00:53:02,069 --> 00:53:00,319
for example or in the fashion i should

1443
00:53:03,670 --> 00:53:02,079
say like something like a vampire bat

1444
00:53:05,430 --> 00:53:03,680
which actually doesn't suck blood it

1445
00:53:08,069 --> 00:53:05,440
actually lacks the blood up

1446
00:53:09,030 --> 00:53:08,079
um but you know with its incisors its

1447
00:53:11,109 --> 00:53:09,040
teeth which

1448
00:53:12,950 --> 00:53:11,119
create an anticoagulant a scuba

1449
00:53:14,710 --> 00:53:12,960
coagulant which um

1450
00:53:16,470 --> 00:53:14,720
anticoagulant which prevents the blood

1451
00:53:18,470 --> 00:53:16,480
from clotting um

1452
00:53:19,750 --> 00:53:18,480
you know if these animals are changing

1453
00:53:21,670 --> 00:53:19,760
to that amount

1454
00:53:23,270 --> 00:53:21,680
it would be almost impossible you know

1455
00:53:26,549 --> 00:53:23,280
our organs aren't

1456
00:53:28,390 --> 00:53:26,559
engaged to you know to live on blood

1457
00:53:30,549 --> 00:53:28,400
but i actually have spoken to a couple

1458
00:53:32,470 --> 00:53:30,559
of people who said that

1459
00:53:33,589 --> 00:53:32,480
when their animals were attacked they

1460
00:53:35,990 --> 00:53:33,599
did see

1461
00:53:37,750 --> 00:53:36,000
these texas chopper cabin basically sort

1462
00:53:39,910 --> 00:53:37,760
of lapping the blood

1463
00:53:41,190 --> 00:53:39,920
you know that was spilled in the attack

1464
00:53:43,109 --> 00:53:41,200
you know instead of just

1465
00:53:45,190 --> 00:53:43,119
eating the mate tearing it or dragging

1466
00:53:46,150 --> 00:53:45,200
the animal away they stood there sort of

1467
00:53:48,630 --> 00:53:46,160
lapping the blood

1468
00:53:50,549 --> 00:53:48,640
where it had flown you know flowed out

1469
00:53:52,950 --> 00:53:50,559
which is kind of unusual

1470
00:53:54,870 --> 00:53:52,960
um but it's things like this the attacks

1471
00:53:58,069 --> 00:53:54,880
on the farm animals the rumors of

1472
00:54:00,470 --> 00:53:58,079
you know the blood draining etc that

1473
00:54:02,150 --> 00:54:00,480
eventually and probably inevitably led

1474
00:54:04,069 --> 00:54:02,160
people to call these things

1475
00:54:06,309 --> 00:54:04,079
you know the texas chupacabra but they

1476
00:54:08,230 --> 00:54:06,319
are they're clearly very different from

1477
00:54:10,390 --> 00:54:08,240
the original chupacabra but like i said

1478
00:54:13,109 --> 00:54:10,400
earlier you know that terms become

1479
00:54:13,670 --> 00:54:13,119
so iconic that anybody sees anything

1480
00:54:15,190 --> 00:54:13,680
weird

1481
00:54:17,670 --> 00:54:15,200
it's like oh it's going to be the trip

1482
00:54:22,549 --> 00:54:20,470
now these are these are chupacabras in

1483
00:54:25,430 --> 00:54:22,559
latin american in particular ones

1484
00:54:26,790 --> 00:54:25,440
in puerto rico are they for the most

1485
00:54:30,069 --> 00:54:26,800
part

1486
00:54:33,270 --> 00:54:30,079
are they what sorry bipedal

1487
00:54:35,910 --> 00:54:33,280
oh um well the the

1488
00:54:36,549 --> 00:54:35,920
latin american ones south american ones

1489
00:54:40,549 --> 00:54:36,559
um

1490
00:54:43,349 --> 00:54:40,559
they are uh puerto rico uh predominantly

1491
00:54:44,470 --> 00:54:43,359
in the us they are falling forward

1492
00:54:47,910 --> 00:54:44,480
obviously

1493
00:54:50,390 --> 00:54:47,920
however in saying that um there are

1494
00:54:52,710 --> 00:54:50,400
some reports of these creatures the

1495
00:54:54,950 --> 00:54:52,720
texas ones um

1496
00:54:56,470 --> 00:54:54,960
actually standing up on their hind legs

1497
00:54:59,430 --> 00:54:56,480
and balancing and even

1498
00:54:59,990 --> 00:54:59,440
having sort of a weird like almost like

1499
00:55:06,390 --> 00:55:00,000
a

1500
00:55:08,710 --> 00:55:06,400
very

1501
00:55:10,150 --> 00:55:08,720
weird now there's actually a photograph

1502
00:55:12,309 --> 00:55:10,160
you can find online

1503
00:55:13,270 --> 00:55:12,319
um taken by a guy i interviewed

1504
00:55:16,309 --> 00:55:13,280
personally

1505
00:55:17,589 --> 00:55:16,319
um there's a guy named ryan craighead

1506
00:55:19,990 --> 00:55:17,599
and this was

1507
00:55:21,670 --> 00:55:20,000
a case that i investigated in oklahoma

1508
00:55:24,710 --> 00:55:21,680
in 2010

1509
00:55:26,390 --> 00:55:24,720
and ryan at the time was about 17 he was

1510
00:55:29,670 --> 00:55:26,400
at the local school

1511
00:55:32,710 --> 00:55:29,680
in a little town in oklahoma called say

1512
00:55:34,150 --> 00:55:32,720
um but if you google ryan craighead plus

1513
00:55:36,150 --> 00:55:34,160
chub

1514
00:55:37,349 --> 00:55:36,160
you'll see the picture that he took of

1515
00:55:40,789 --> 00:55:37,359
this animal

1516
00:55:43,109 --> 00:55:40,799
and in the picture it looks like

1517
00:55:44,630 --> 00:55:43,119
one of these classic hairless coyotes

1518
00:55:47,510 --> 00:55:44,640
flash triple cabras

1519
00:55:48,710 --> 00:55:47,520
but its front limbs are extremely small

1520
00:55:51,670 --> 00:55:48,720
and it actually is

1521
00:55:53,670 --> 00:55:51,680
kind of bounding along on its hind legs

1522
00:55:57,030 --> 00:55:53,680
you can see it's sort of balancing

1523
00:55:58,870 --> 00:55:57,040
and um you know that

1524
00:56:00,789 --> 00:55:58,880
i have no real way out how to explain

1525
00:56:02,549 --> 00:56:00,799
that other than to say

1526
00:56:04,789 --> 00:56:02,559
although i don't have a large amount i

1527
00:56:05,910 --> 00:56:04,799
do have sort of six seven eight maybe

1528
00:56:08,150 --> 00:56:05,920
reports

1529
00:56:09,270 --> 00:56:08,160
of people saying they saw these hairless

1530
00:56:11,349 --> 00:56:09,280
coyotes

1531
00:56:13,270 --> 00:56:11,359
rise up on the to their hind legs as if

1532
00:56:15,510 --> 00:56:13,280
you're almost trying to intimidate the

1533
00:56:19,030 --> 00:56:15,520
person or something like that

1534
00:56:21,109 --> 00:56:19,040
wow that's interesting

1535
00:56:23,510 --> 00:56:21,119
you know i don't know if you're aware of

1536
00:56:26,789 --> 00:56:23,520
it but we've been um

1537
00:56:29,990 --> 00:56:26,799
uh myself butch witkowski and sean

1538
00:56:32,069 --> 00:56:30,000
we've been investigating the these dog

1539
00:56:33,109 --> 00:56:32,079
man reports coming out of pennsylvania

1540
00:56:35,589 --> 00:56:33,119
lately

1541
00:56:37,589 --> 00:56:35,599
and uh i mean it's been like it was like

1542
00:56:40,230 --> 00:56:37,599
a flap we got there for a while

1543
00:56:40,789 --> 00:56:40,240
uh they've kind of they've kind of edged

1544
00:56:44,710 --> 00:56:40,799
off but

1545
00:56:46,230 --> 00:56:44,720
we've been investigating them uh

1546
00:56:47,910 --> 00:56:46,240
what's your what's your take on that

1547
00:56:49,430 --> 00:56:47,920
anyway well

1548
00:56:51,430 --> 00:56:49,440
you know i mean the dog man things

1549
00:56:53,030 --> 00:56:51,440
interesting because one of the first

1550
00:56:54,870 --> 00:56:53,040
things that occurred to me when people

1551
00:56:56,630 --> 00:56:54,880
started telling me about seeing these

1552
00:56:58,390 --> 00:56:56,640
texas tripper campers on the hind legs

1553
00:57:00,710 --> 00:56:58,400
was that in

1554
00:57:01,510 --> 00:57:00,720
in one sense at least they do sort of

1555
00:57:03,510 --> 00:57:01,520
parallel

1556
00:57:05,829 --> 00:57:03,520
the dog man reports in the sense you're

1557
00:57:08,309 --> 00:57:05,839
talking about a bipedal animal

1558
00:57:09,349 --> 00:57:08,319
with a dog-like muzzle and face but

1559
00:57:11,589 --> 00:57:09,359
standing up

1560
00:57:13,349 --> 00:57:11,599
to a degree at least like a person now

1561
00:57:15,270 --> 00:57:13,359
the big difference of course

1562
00:57:16,710 --> 00:57:15,280
you know these hairless coyotes they

1563
00:57:17,430 --> 00:57:16,720
look weird but they're not bigger than

1564
00:57:19,510 --> 00:57:17,440
the average

1565
00:57:21,349 --> 00:57:19,520
chopper cabra that's i mean they're not

1566
00:57:23,829 --> 00:57:21,359
bigger than the average coyote

1567
00:57:24,870 --> 00:57:23,839
so in other words you know that is the

1568
00:57:27,990 --> 00:57:24,880
big difference

1569
00:57:29,349 --> 00:57:28,000
in the sense that um you know as

1570
00:57:32,069 --> 00:57:29,359
people would see these dog men they

1571
00:57:34,309 --> 00:57:32,079
thought something five to six feet tall

1572
00:57:35,190 --> 00:57:34,319
kind of like a a big foot type creature

1573
00:57:37,670 --> 00:57:35,200
but with a

1574
00:57:38,950 --> 00:57:37,680
with the face of a of a dog-like animal

1575
00:57:41,430 --> 00:57:38,960
you know sort of a

1576
00:57:42,950 --> 00:57:41,440
lot something along those lines so i

1577
00:57:44,710 --> 00:57:42,960
think we have to be dealing

1578
00:57:47,829 --> 00:57:44,720
with two different things but it

1579
00:57:49,990 --> 00:57:47,839
admittedly it is intriguing and puzzling

1580
00:57:51,670 --> 00:57:50,000
that people are seeing more of these dog

1581
00:57:53,670 --> 00:57:51,680
men and

1582
00:57:55,109 --> 00:57:53,680
we're also getting reports allegedly of

1583
00:57:57,670 --> 00:57:55,119
these things he's

1584
00:57:59,829 --> 00:57:57,680
simply standing on the hind legs as well

1585
00:58:01,910 --> 00:57:59,839
so whether there's a connection or not

1586
00:58:04,309 --> 00:58:01,920
i don't know but i mean what i would say

1587
00:58:06,150 --> 00:58:04,319
about the dogman reports you know i mean

1588
00:58:07,990 --> 00:58:06,160
like for example linda godfrey you know

1589
00:58:11,109 --> 00:58:08,000
she's collected an incredible number

1590
00:58:11,910 --> 00:58:11,119
of reports and um all i can say is that

1591
00:58:14,390 --> 00:58:11,920
the

1592
00:58:15,510 --> 00:58:14,400
to me it seems to be a real phenomenon

1593
00:58:18,789 --> 00:58:15,520
now

1594
00:58:21,510 --> 00:58:18,799
look at linda's

1595
00:58:23,190 --> 00:58:21,520
research you know she sort of looked at

1596
00:58:24,870 --> 00:58:23,200
the idea of a

1597
00:58:27,030 --> 00:58:24,880
flesh and blood animal she looked at the

1598
00:58:27,670 --> 00:58:27,040
idea of a paranormal animal and i don't

1599
00:58:29,990 --> 00:58:27,680
think

1600
00:58:31,430 --> 00:58:30,000
you know we can sort of say for sure

1601
00:58:34,789 --> 00:58:31,440
what they really are

1602
00:58:36,549 --> 00:58:34,799
but what i would say is that i mean a

1603
00:58:38,630 --> 00:58:36,559
lot of people don't realize this but you

1604
00:58:40,950 --> 00:58:38,640
know the thylacine this presumed

1605
00:58:41,910 --> 00:58:40,960
uh marsupial that lived on new guinea in

1606
00:58:45,109 --> 00:58:41,920
australia

1607
00:58:46,470 --> 00:58:45,119
um in the past well a lot of rumors of

1608
00:58:49,349 --> 00:58:46,480
the thylacine

1609
00:58:51,109 --> 00:58:49,359
uh of the tasmanian tiger is also known

1610
00:58:53,829 --> 00:58:51,119
could possibly still exist

1611
00:58:54,150 --> 00:58:53,839
a lot of people don't know that the the

1612
00:58:56,390 --> 00:58:54,160
uh

1613
00:58:59,109 --> 00:58:56,400
tasmanian tiger the thylacine could

1614
00:58:59,750 --> 00:58:59,119
actually briefly rise itself on its hind

1615
00:59:02,309 --> 00:58:59,760
legs

1616
00:59:03,190 --> 00:59:02,319
and run along in sort of a weird fashion

1617
00:59:04,630 --> 00:59:03,200
on two limbs

1618
00:59:06,549 --> 00:59:04,640
you can actually find that at the

1619
00:59:07,829 --> 00:59:06,559
australian government's official website

1620
00:59:08,309 --> 00:59:07,839
it tells you the whole story about how

1621
00:59:11,109 --> 00:59:08,319
they can

1622
00:59:13,109 --> 00:59:11,119
stand up and balance on their tail uh

1623
00:59:15,109 --> 00:59:13,119
kind of like a kangaroo which is also a

1624
00:59:18,230 --> 00:59:15,119
marsupial like the uh

1625
00:59:20,150 --> 00:59:18,240
like the the thylacine um so as

1626
00:59:20,710 --> 00:59:20,160
incredible as it sounds i do sometimes

1627
00:59:23,190 --> 00:59:20,720
wonder

1628
00:59:24,549 --> 00:59:23,200
if there could be some sort of is i mean

1629
00:59:26,870 --> 00:59:24,559
it's really a stretch

1630
00:59:28,309 --> 00:59:26,880
but what about the idea of a bipedal

1631
00:59:31,190 --> 00:59:28,319
canine in the us

1632
00:59:33,349 --> 00:59:31,200
that has the ability to like a bear you

1633
00:59:35,270 --> 00:59:33,359
know move up predominantly on

1634
00:59:37,349 --> 00:59:35,280
four limbs but if it wants to it can

1635
00:59:37,990 --> 00:59:37,359
stand up and rise up onto its hind limbs

1636
00:59:40,309 --> 00:59:38,000
as well

1637
00:59:42,710 --> 00:59:40,319
you know i stress there's nothing in

1638
00:59:44,470 --> 00:59:42,720
sort of a historical record to suggest

1639
00:59:46,789 --> 00:59:44,480
that's the case but

1640
00:59:48,630 --> 00:59:46,799
you know it's hard to when you've got

1641
00:59:49,910 --> 00:59:48,640
really credible witnesses

1642
00:59:51,990 --> 00:59:49,920
and there have been a lot of credible

1643
00:59:53,190 --> 00:59:52,000
witnesses to dogman reports when you

1644
00:59:55,349 --> 00:59:53,200
have those

1645
00:59:57,109 --> 00:59:55,359
it's difficult to dismiss them even

1646
00:59:58,549 --> 00:59:57,119
though they sound controversial and

1647
01:00:00,390 --> 00:59:58,559
and i know why to a lot of people they

1648
01:00:02,390 --> 01:00:00,400
sound controversial because they create

1649
01:00:05,510 --> 01:00:02,400
imagery of like werewolves

1650
01:00:07,750 --> 01:00:05,520
and then that sort of provokes you know

1651
01:00:09,589 --> 01:00:07,760
images of shape-shifting and full moons

1652
01:00:10,710 --> 01:00:09,599
and silver bullets and the whole thing

1653
01:00:12,470 --> 01:00:10,720
you know

1654
01:00:14,150 --> 01:00:12,480
but i don't think we necessarily have to

1655
01:00:16,069 --> 01:00:14,160
bring all that into it

1656
01:00:18,470 --> 01:00:16,079
it's just that sort of pop culture and

1657
01:00:21,430 --> 01:00:18,480
folklore has brought that into it but

1658
01:00:22,470 --> 01:00:21,440
you know the idea of a an unknown

1659
01:00:25,589 --> 01:00:22,480
creature in the u.s

1660
01:00:27,270 --> 01:00:25,599
that sort of broadly fits that bill but

1661
01:00:28,870 --> 01:00:27,280
which could potentially

1662
01:00:30,870 --> 01:00:28,880
you know walk on four limbs and two

1663
01:00:32,950 --> 01:00:30,880
limbs perhaps highly intelligent and

1664
01:00:34,870 --> 01:00:32,960
very adept at hiding itself

1665
01:00:37,990 --> 01:00:34,880
you know that would be sort of a a

1666
01:00:41,589 --> 01:00:38,000
creepy thing to consider you know

1667
01:00:43,430 --> 01:00:41,599
yeah well we're open-minded at this

1668
01:00:43,910 --> 01:00:43,440
point because we have no idea what we're

1669
01:00:47,030 --> 01:00:43,920
dealing

1670
01:00:49,510 --> 01:00:47,040
with no uh you know no and i tell you

1671
01:00:51,109 --> 01:00:49,520
the reports we have gotten are pretty

1672
01:00:53,270 --> 01:00:51,119
good reports i mean

1673
01:00:54,309 --> 01:00:53,280
you know the witnesses have been very

1674
01:00:56,950 --> 01:00:54,319
credible and

1675
01:00:59,030 --> 01:00:56,960
uh i mean they saw something they don't

1676
01:00:59,750 --> 01:00:59,040
know what it was but their descriptions

1677
01:01:04,950 --> 01:00:59,760
are

1678
01:01:08,789 --> 01:01:07,430
you know i i don't know you know it it

1679
01:01:11,190 --> 01:01:08,799
it's something that

1680
01:01:12,390 --> 01:01:11,200
you know i i really never considered the

1681
01:01:15,510 --> 01:01:12,400
dog man

1682
01:01:17,349 --> 01:01:15,520
or the bipedal canine a whole lot

1683
01:01:19,109 --> 01:01:17,359
even when i used to talk to linda about

1684
01:01:21,829 --> 01:01:19,119
it a lot but until we started getting

1685
01:01:23,990 --> 01:01:21,839
these reports recently

1686
01:01:25,430 --> 01:01:24,000
you gotta start wondering what's going

1687
01:01:27,349 --> 01:01:25,440
on around here

1688
01:01:29,349 --> 01:01:27,359
you know we got a lot of we got a lot of

1689
01:01:31,109 --> 01:01:29,359
bigfoot reports up in pennsylvania but

1690
01:01:33,190 --> 01:01:31,119
god these dog man reports

1691
01:01:35,030 --> 01:01:33,200
even though there has been a history of

1692
01:01:37,270 --> 01:01:35,040
it uh

1693
01:01:38,150 --> 01:01:37,280
the fact that we're getting this many at

1694
01:01:41,670 --> 01:01:38,160
one time

1695
01:01:43,829 --> 01:01:41,680
is kind of unusual yeah it is and i mean

1696
01:01:44,710 --> 01:01:43,839
like i said it's it's it's controversial

1697
01:01:46,950 --> 01:01:44,720
because

1698
01:01:49,510 --> 01:01:46,960
of how they look you know people say we

1699
01:01:51,430 --> 01:01:49,520
look like a werewolf and then

1700
01:01:52,950 --> 01:01:51,440
but you know part half the people are

1701
01:01:54,309 --> 01:01:52,960
going to just roll their eyes at the you

1702
01:01:56,150 --> 01:01:54,319
know the very mention of the term

1703
01:01:57,829 --> 01:01:56,160
werewolves but i mean

1704
01:01:59,750 --> 01:01:57,839
there really isn't sort of a better more

1705
01:02:00,950 --> 01:01:59,760
act you know sort of good way to

1706
01:02:04,710 --> 01:02:00,960
describe them but

1707
01:02:05,029 --> 01:02:04,720
uh i mean for all the reports i've got

1708
01:02:08,230 --> 01:02:05,039
of

1709
01:02:10,870 --> 01:02:08,240
dogman type reports

1710
01:02:12,470 --> 01:02:10,880
i've never ever got a single case i

1711
01:02:13,910 --> 01:02:12,480
don't think linda has more than even

1712
01:02:16,230 --> 01:02:13,920
like one or two where

1713
01:02:18,150 --> 01:02:16,240
somebody claimed you know that's sort of

1714
01:02:20,470 --> 01:02:18,160
shape-shifted or somebody said i want a

1715
01:02:22,150 --> 01:02:20,480
dog man you know i change it a full moon

1716
01:02:23,990 --> 01:02:22,160
i've never ever got anything like that

1717
01:02:25,990 --> 01:02:24,000
it's people who just said

1718
01:02:27,589 --> 01:02:26,000
well that looks like it's normal state

1719
01:02:28,789 --> 01:02:27,599
you know and um

1720
01:02:30,950 --> 01:02:28,799
i think that's an important thing to

1721
01:02:33,029 --> 01:02:30,960
remember people aren't talking about

1722
01:02:34,069 --> 01:02:33,039
people mutating into dog men when the

1723
01:02:35,829 --> 01:02:34,079
moon's full or whatever

1724
01:02:39,829 --> 01:02:35,839
it's whatever they are it seems that's

1725
01:02:43,029 --> 01:02:42,230
well you've written a couple other books

1726
01:02:46,390 --> 01:02:43,039
recently

1727
01:02:49,109 --> 01:02:46,400
uh of the one titled men in black

1728
01:02:50,870 --> 01:02:49,119
personal stories and eerie adventures

1729
01:02:53,109 --> 01:02:50,880
and another one that really intrigued me

1730
01:02:55,190 --> 01:02:53,119
was this bloodline of the gods

1731
01:02:57,589 --> 01:02:55,200
unravel the mystery the human blood type

1732
01:03:00,549 --> 01:02:57,599
to reveal the aliens among us

1733
01:03:02,630 --> 01:03:00,559
now i didn't know what i was getting

1734
01:03:06,309 --> 01:03:02,640
into when i started reading this thing

1735
01:03:09,349 --> 01:03:06,319
but this this claim to

1736
01:03:10,710 --> 01:03:09,359
that negative rh factor may be connected

1737
01:03:14,150 --> 01:03:10,720
to

1738
01:03:16,230 --> 01:03:14,160
alien blood types is is kind of

1739
01:03:18,789 --> 01:03:16,240
unusual can you can you kind of give a

1740
01:03:19,990 --> 01:03:18,799
description or a synopsis of this whole

1741
01:03:22,230 --> 01:03:20,000
thing

1742
01:03:23,029 --> 01:03:22,240
yeah sure well basically you know there

1743
01:03:26,309 --> 01:03:23,039
are four

1744
01:03:28,870 --> 01:03:26,319
um primary blood groups you know

1745
01:03:30,789 --> 01:03:28,880
as far as human uh race is concerned

1746
01:03:34,069 --> 01:03:30,799
they're a b

1747
01:03:36,069 --> 01:03:34,079
a b and o um and

1748
01:03:37,990 --> 01:03:36,079
the vast majority of the human

1749
01:03:39,750 --> 01:03:38,000
population has

1750
01:03:41,029 --> 01:03:39,760
essentially what's called positive blood

1751
01:03:43,589 --> 01:03:41,039
rh positive

1752
01:03:44,710 --> 01:03:43,599
rh comes from the rhesus monkey creature

1753
01:03:47,990 --> 01:03:44,720
which you know

1754
01:03:51,109 --> 01:03:48,000
dna wise were extremely compatible with

1755
01:03:54,470 --> 01:03:51,119
sort of like 93 94 dna

1756
01:03:54,950 --> 01:03:54,480
identical and that's why you know so

1757
01:03:57,029 --> 01:03:54,960
many

1758
01:03:58,950 --> 01:03:57,039
experiments into human drugs actually

1759
01:03:59,910 --> 01:03:58,960
undertaken on racist monkeys because

1760
01:04:03,829 --> 01:03:59,920
they are so

1761
01:04:05,750 --> 01:04:03,839
close to us now although um somewhere in

1762
01:04:08,470 --> 01:04:05,760
the region of like 90 91

1763
01:04:09,270 --> 01:04:08,480
of the population is rh positive a small

1764
01:04:11,670 --> 01:04:09,280
percentage

1765
01:04:12,630 --> 01:04:11,680
is what's called rh negative now what

1766
01:04:15,510 --> 01:04:12,640
that means

1767
01:04:17,670 --> 01:04:15,520
is that roughly well the figures are

1768
01:04:21,510 --> 01:04:17,680
sort of about 10 to 12

1769
01:04:22,230 --> 01:04:21,520
uh for in america i'll give you the

1770
01:04:25,670 --> 01:04:22,240
figures

1771
01:04:29,029 --> 01:04:25,680
in the us for caucasians um

1772
01:04:30,069 --> 01:04:29,039
the figures are roughly um 10 to 12

1773
01:04:33,270 --> 01:04:30,079
percent

1774
01:04:33,670 --> 01:04:33,280
rh negative for african americans it's

1775
01:04:36,549 --> 01:04:33,680
sort of

1776
01:04:37,990 --> 01:04:36,559
eight to nine and for asian americans

1777
01:04:39,829 --> 01:04:38,000
you bet one to two percent so it's a

1778
01:04:40,150 --> 01:04:39,839
very small percentage of the population

1779
01:04:42,710 --> 01:04:40,160
is

1780
01:04:44,309 --> 01:04:42,720
rh negative but what it basically means

1781
01:04:47,109 --> 01:04:44,319
is that their

1782
01:04:48,150 --> 01:04:47,119
blood lacks a particular antigen or a

1783
01:04:50,390 --> 01:04:48,160
proline

1784
01:04:51,270 --> 01:04:50,400
which makes them very different in many

1785
01:04:54,150 --> 01:04:51,280
ways to

1786
01:04:56,549 --> 01:04:54,160
everybody else one of the most amazing

1787
01:04:59,190 --> 01:04:56,559
but also disturbing differences

1788
01:05:00,789 --> 01:04:59,200
is that if you have a man and a woman um

1789
01:05:02,630 --> 01:05:00,799
your woman gets pregnant

1790
01:05:04,870 --> 01:05:02,640
so let's say hypothetically the man is

1791
01:05:06,069 --> 01:05:04,880
rh negative and the woman's blood is rh

1792
01:05:07,910 --> 01:05:06,079
positive

1793
01:05:09,349 --> 01:05:07,920
well when the baby you know the fetus

1794
01:05:12,710 --> 01:05:09,359
starts to grow

1795
01:05:15,109 --> 01:05:12,720
um if you know by chance or if

1796
01:05:16,789 --> 01:05:15,119
um you know procedure has to be uh

1797
01:05:18,710 --> 01:05:16,799
implemented like for example

1798
01:05:20,630 --> 01:05:18,720
what's called amniocentesis where a

1799
01:05:22,390 --> 01:05:20,640
needle has to be inserted to you know to

1800
01:05:25,829 --> 01:05:22,400
check the fetus is okay

1801
01:05:29,190 --> 01:05:25,839
if some of the the father's you know

1802
01:05:29,990 --> 01:05:29,200
if the fetus is rh negative and some of

1803
01:05:31,910 --> 01:05:30,000
that blood

1804
01:05:33,349 --> 01:05:31,920
during the procedure gets into the

1805
01:05:36,549 --> 01:05:33,359
mother's bloodstream and she's

1806
01:05:39,670 --> 01:05:36,559
rh positive her um

1807
01:05:40,390 --> 01:05:39,680
body literally tries to kill the unborn

1808
01:05:42,230 --> 01:05:40,400
baby

1809
01:05:43,990 --> 01:05:42,240
that's why any woman who becomes

1810
01:05:46,630 --> 01:05:44,000
pregnant and you know she if one of the

1811
01:05:48,710 --> 01:05:46,640
parties is rx negative one's rh positive

1812
01:05:49,670 --> 01:05:48,720
they have to be put on medication to

1813
01:05:52,710 --> 01:05:49,680
prevent

1814
01:05:53,750 --> 01:05:52,720
the um the mother's nervous system

1815
01:05:55,589 --> 01:05:53,760
essentially

1816
01:05:57,029 --> 01:05:55,599
um trying to kill the baby and it does

1817
01:06:00,230 --> 01:05:57,039
that by trying to

1818
01:06:02,230 --> 01:06:00,240
create uh create like anemia

1819
01:06:04,950 --> 01:06:02,240
is one of the main characteristics in

1820
01:06:07,829 --> 01:06:04,960
the in the developing fetus his body

1821
01:06:09,510 --> 01:06:07,839
you know which can lead to death um so

1822
01:06:10,309 --> 01:06:09,520
in for all intents and purposes the

1823
01:06:13,990 --> 01:06:10,319
mother's

1824
01:06:14,309 --> 01:06:14,000
um body perceives the the growing fetus

1825
01:06:19,829 --> 01:06:14,319
as

1826
01:06:21,750 --> 01:06:19,839
the point where

1827
01:06:23,109 --> 01:06:21,760
they literally have to have drugs to

1828
01:06:25,029 --> 01:06:23,119
combat this and they work very well it's

1829
01:06:27,190 --> 01:06:25,039
just a matter of making sure that

1830
01:06:29,430 --> 01:06:27,200
it happens you know to ensure that the

1831
01:06:31,430 --> 01:06:29,440
baby doesn't die or it doesn't fall ill

1832
01:06:34,549 --> 01:06:31,440
or anything like that

1833
01:06:36,150 --> 01:06:34,559
what's interesting is this particular

1834
01:06:37,670 --> 01:06:36,160
issue that has sort of gone under the

1835
01:06:42,069 --> 01:06:37,680
radar for so long

1836
01:06:43,510 --> 01:06:42,079
in ufology where a significant number of

1837
01:06:46,390 --> 01:06:43,520
people like for example

1838
01:06:47,029 --> 01:06:46,400
alien abductees contactees people who

1839
01:06:49,510 --> 01:06:47,039
feel

1840
01:06:51,430 --> 01:06:49,520
drawn to the ufo subject or have had

1841
01:06:54,549 --> 01:06:51,440
profound ufo encounters

1842
01:06:57,750 --> 01:06:54,559
are rh negative um

1843
01:06:59,109 --> 01:06:57,760
and on top of that where as i said

1844
01:07:01,109 --> 01:06:59,119
not necessarily even have had an

1845
01:07:01,910 --> 01:07:01,119
encounter but they just feel you know

1846
01:07:03,430 --> 01:07:01,920
like a tug

1847
01:07:05,349 --> 01:07:03,440
from the subject you know something

1848
01:07:08,069 --> 01:07:05,359
pulling them towards it and they just

1849
01:07:10,230 --> 01:07:08,079
don't know why that's happening and i've

1850
01:07:12,230 --> 01:07:10,240
found this time and time and again

1851
01:07:16,150 --> 01:07:12,240
with reports of people who are

1852
01:07:18,470 --> 01:07:16,160
ex-negative having these experiences and

1853
01:07:20,150 --> 01:07:18,480
you know you can actually find cases

1854
01:07:21,510 --> 01:07:20,160
from the very earliest years that

1855
01:07:24,950 --> 01:07:21,520
suggest

1856
01:07:27,750 --> 01:07:24,960
a connection um between abductions

1857
01:07:30,069 --> 01:07:27,760
and the rh negative factor and of course

1858
01:07:32,789 --> 01:07:30,079
the big question is how or why

1859
01:07:34,470 --> 01:07:32,799
and the so the prevailing theory within

1860
01:07:37,510 --> 01:07:34,480
ufo research

1861
01:07:40,190 --> 01:07:37,520
is the idea that um

1862
01:07:41,910 --> 01:07:40,200
possibly in the distant past

1863
01:07:43,990 --> 01:07:41,920
extraterrestrials could have sort of

1864
01:07:47,270 --> 01:07:44,000
modified or upgraded

1865
01:07:50,870 --> 01:07:47,280
um or just all radically altered uh

1866
01:07:53,589 --> 01:07:50,880
one aspect of the human race um

1867
01:07:54,710 --> 01:07:53,599
for whatever purposes we don't know but

1868
01:07:57,670 --> 01:07:54,720
it created

1869
01:07:59,670 --> 01:07:57,680
an offshoot that to some degree you know

1870
01:08:01,670 --> 01:07:59,680
had like an extraterrestrial bloodline

1871
01:08:02,870 --> 01:08:01,680
at its origin and then thousands of

1872
01:08:05,750 --> 01:08:02,880
years later

1873
01:08:07,109 --> 01:08:05,760
what we're seeing is you know the last

1874
01:08:10,710 --> 01:08:07,119
remnants if you like

1875
01:08:13,270 --> 01:08:10,720
of this um uh offshoot

1876
01:08:14,789 --> 01:08:13,280
um you know demonstrating why they're so

1877
01:08:15,750 --> 01:08:14,799
different and i mean there's no real

1878
01:08:17,669 --> 01:08:15,760
reason if

1879
01:08:19,669 --> 01:08:17,679
the theory of evolution is correct

1880
01:08:22,309 --> 01:08:19,679
there's no real reason why

1881
01:08:23,030 --> 01:08:22,319
we shouldn't all be rh positive right

1882
01:08:30,550 --> 01:08:23,040
you know

1883
01:08:32,550 --> 01:08:30,560
professionals understand the differences

1884
01:08:33,590 --> 01:08:32,560
between rx positive and rx negative and

1885
01:08:35,430 --> 01:08:33,600
they understand

1886
01:08:37,349 --> 01:08:35,440
how it can sometimes cause health cause

1887
01:08:40,709 --> 01:08:37,359
health hazards with pregnancy

1888
01:08:44,149 --> 01:08:40,719
there's no real solid consensus as to

1889
01:08:45,749 --> 01:08:44,159
why that's the case and um

1890
01:08:47,349 --> 01:08:45,759
i mean to give you an example of some of

1891
01:08:49,749 --> 01:08:47,359
the people in ufology

1892
01:08:50,709 --> 01:08:49,759
who are sort of uh you know drawn to

1893
01:08:52,950 --> 01:08:50,719
this new rh

1894
01:08:54,070 --> 01:08:52,960
rh negative you know i mentioned about

1895
01:08:55,990 --> 01:08:54,080
the idea that

1896
01:08:57,669 --> 01:08:56,000
you know this goes back to possibly

1897
01:09:00,149 --> 01:08:57,679
ancient astronauts

1898
01:09:02,229 --> 01:09:00,159
scenarios when you know the earliest

1899
01:09:04,309 --> 01:09:02,239
humans may have been genetically altered

1900
01:09:06,630 --> 01:09:04,319
well it turns out some of the major

1901
01:09:08,470 --> 01:09:06,640
figures who've written books on

1902
01:09:10,070 --> 01:09:08,480
international phenomena are agent

1903
01:09:12,309 --> 01:09:10,080
negative argue with the world's most

1904
01:09:13,829 --> 01:09:12,319
famous for example eric von danican is

1905
01:09:16,070 --> 01:09:13,839
rh negative

1906
01:09:17,749 --> 01:09:16,080
um brad steiger who's written

1907
01:09:20,470 --> 01:09:17,759
extensively on ancient mysteries and

1908
01:09:23,749 --> 01:09:20,480
ancient nationals brad's rh negative

1909
01:09:24,709 --> 01:09:23,759
um you have uh a number of other

1910
01:09:27,030 --> 01:09:24,719
researchers

1911
01:09:28,709 --> 01:09:27,040
and authors as well over the years who

1912
01:09:30,630 --> 01:09:28,719
looked into the you know the whole

1913
01:09:32,470 --> 01:09:30,640
issue like robert anton wilson he was

1914
01:09:34,470 --> 01:09:32,480
very interested in

1915
01:09:35,990 --> 01:09:34,480
the ancient astronauts scenario he was

1916
01:09:39,110 --> 01:09:36,000
rh negative

1917
01:09:41,430 --> 01:09:39,120
um and the least goes on and

1918
01:09:43,829 --> 01:09:41,440
one of the theories is the reason why so

1919
01:09:45,189 --> 01:09:43,839
many people who are rh negative feel

1920
01:09:48,229 --> 01:09:45,199
drawn to the

1921
01:09:49,669 --> 01:09:48,239
um the ufo subject

1922
01:09:51,829 --> 01:09:49,679
could be that you know there might be

1923
01:09:54,709 --> 01:09:51,839
some sort of latent

1924
01:09:55,590 --> 01:09:54,719
thing in our dna you know we all inherit

1925
01:09:57,430 --> 01:09:55,600
um

1926
01:09:58,630 --> 01:09:57,440
something from our parents whether eye

1927
01:10:01,430 --> 01:09:58,640
color hair color

1928
01:10:03,189 --> 01:10:01,440
you know shape of your nose whatever um

1929
01:10:04,950 --> 01:10:03,199
there's an interesting but controversial

1930
01:10:08,149 --> 01:10:04,960
theory that we can actually

1931
01:10:11,030 --> 01:10:08,159
inherit fragments and memories as well

1932
01:10:11,510 --> 01:10:11,040
um and that might explain you're kind of

1933
01:10:13,110 --> 01:10:11,520
like the

1934
01:10:14,790 --> 01:10:13,120
the idea when you have a dream and you

1935
01:10:16,790 --> 01:10:14,800
wake up and it starts to fade away and

1936
01:10:18,950 --> 01:10:16,800
you can't remember it all properly but

1937
01:10:21,350 --> 01:10:18,960
you vaguely dismember it it's kind of

1938
01:10:22,149 --> 01:10:21,360
like that the idea that the rh negatives

1939
01:10:25,430 --> 01:10:22,159
may retain

1940
01:10:26,149 --> 01:10:25,440
some fragmentary fragmentary memory of

1941
01:10:29,189 --> 01:10:26,159
their

1942
01:10:30,830 --> 01:10:29,199
you know distant allegiance if you like

1943
01:10:34,390 --> 01:10:30,840
that's the right term to this sort of

1944
01:10:38,950 --> 01:10:36,149
well i tell you when i started reading

1945
01:10:41,750 --> 01:10:38,960
the book it fascinated me so

1946
01:10:43,590 --> 01:10:41,760
i started doing going on the internet

1947
01:10:45,590 --> 01:10:43,600
and reading a little bit about this and

1948
01:10:49,270 --> 01:10:45,600
i contacted

1949
01:10:50,709 --> 01:10:49,280
three different people who i had worked

1950
01:10:51,270 --> 01:10:50,719
with who claimed they were had been

1951
01:10:55,110 --> 01:10:51,280
abducted

1952
01:10:57,590 --> 01:10:55,120
at one period of time or another and uh

1953
01:10:59,510 --> 01:10:57,600
all three instances it was just not the

1954
01:11:02,390 --> 01:10:59,520
one person in the family

1955
01:11:03,350 --> 01:11:02,400
but other persons in the family as well

1956
01:11:06,310 --> 01:11:03,360
and

1957
01:11:06,950 --> 01:11:06,320
i knew of one of them i had that the

1958
01:11:08,470 --> 01:11:06,960
information that

1959
01:11:09,990 --> 01:11:08,480
they did have everybody in the family

1960
01:11:13,350 --> 01:11:10,000
had negative or

1961
01:11:14,470 --> 01:11:13,360
rh negative blood i went and checked the

1962
01:11:16,229 --> 01:11:14,480
other two

1963
01:11:17,990 --> 01:11:16,239
and it's the same with them too they're

1964
01:11:20,870 --> 01:11:18,000
all rh negative

1965
01:11:21,430 --> 01:11:20,880
mm-hmm well that doesn't surprise me

1966
01:11:23,189 --> 01:11:21,440
because i mean

1967
01:11:25,030 --> 01:11:23,199
well it even surprised me you know when

1968
01:11:27,189 --> 01:11:25,040
the book first came out

1969
01:11:28,790 --> 01:11:27,199
the number of people who you know you

1970
01:11:29,590 --> 01:11:28,800
get it's like your show you know you get

1971
01:11:31,110 --> 01:11:29,600
feedback

1972
01:11:33,189 --> 01:11:31,120
uh but when the book came out until i

1973
01:11:35,110 --> 01:11:33,199
got a lot of messages like on facebook

1974
01:11:36,470 --> 01:11:35,120
and twitter and etc

1975
01:11:38,550 --> 01:11:36,480
saying that you know they've read the

1976
01:11:40,630 --> 01:11:38,560
book and oh by the way

1977
01:11:42,470 --> 01:11:40,640
i'm rh negative and another one oh by

1978
01:11:43,990 --> 01:11:42,480
the way i'm rh negative and they all had

1979
01:11:45,910 --> 01:11:44,000
these experiences and

1980
01:11:47,910 --> 01:11:45,920
within the first week or so i probably

1981
01:11:50,870 --> 01:11:47,920
had 40 or 50

1982
01:11:52,550 --> 01:11:50,880
replies as i said that first week alone

1983
01:11:54,709 --> 01:11:52,560
uh from people who'd had

1984
01:11:55,669 --> 01:11:54,719
abduction encounters things like this

1985
01:11:58,310 --> 01:11:55,679
and you know

1986
01:12:00,229 --> 01:11:58,320
they didn't realize necessarily that

1987
01:12:01,350 --> 01:12:00,239
there was a connection with the the rh

1988
01:12:05,110 --> 01:12:01,360
blood but they were

1989
01:12:07,830 --> 01:12:05,120
rh negative um so we're actually seeing

1990
01:12:09,030 --> 01:12:07,840
this subject come sort of more you know

1991
01:12:11,350 --> 01:12:09,040
into focus now

1992
01:12:12,950 --> 01:12:11,360
people are beginning to realize more and

1993
01:12:14,790 --> 01:12:12,960
more that that does some

1994
01:12:16,149 --> 01:12:14,800
seem to be some sort of you know

1995
01:12:18,950 --> 01:12:16,159
connection

1996
01:12:20,870 --> 01:12:18,960
between this sort of ancient bloodline

1997
01:12:25,669 --> 01:12:20,880
if you like and and even right through

1998
01:12:30,070 --> 01:12:27,990
well i tell you i i i went and looked at

1999
01:12:32,470 --> 01:12:30,080
some of the um

2000
01:12:33,110 --> 01:12:32,480
some of the possible characteristics

2001
01:12:35,990 --> 01:12:33,120
that

2002
01:12:37,110 --> 01:12:36,000
they say these people have the rh

2003
01:12:39,990 --> 01:12:37,120
negative

2004
01:12:42,310 --> 01:12:40,000
uh blood some of them have the uh either

2005
01:12:44,870 --> 01:12:42,320
higher than average iqs

2006
01:12:46,870 --> 01:12:44,880
more sensitive vision in other senses

2007
01:12:49,990 --> 01:12:46,880
lower body temperature

2008
01:12:52,870 --> 01:12:50,000
higher blood pressure uh

2009
01:12:53,990 --> 01:12:52,880
psychic intuitive abilities uh

2010
01:12:57,189 --> 01:12:54,000
predominant blue

2011
01:12:59,430 --> 01:12:57,199
green hazel eyes red hair

2012
01:13:01,590 --> 01:12:59,440
sensitivity heat and sunlight cannot be

2013
01:13:05,110 --> 01:13:01,600
cloned in extra vertebrae

2014
01:13:05,830 --> 01:13:05,120
uh you know personally i'm i have rh

2015
01:13:07,189 --> 01:13:05,840
negative

2016
01:13:12,550 --> 01:13:07,199
and every one of those applies to me

2017
01:13:19,510 --> 01:13:16,630
so that i'm thinking myself now you know

2018
01:13:21,030 --> 01:13:19,520
maybe there is something to this yeah

2019
01:13:23,270 --> 01:13:21,040
well you know i mean like i said

2020
01:13:24,709 --> 01:13:23,280
there are a lot of people who haven't

2021
01:13:26,390 --> 01:13:24,719
never had any experiences

2022
01:13:28,550 --> 01:13:26,400
that they can remember at least but they

2023
01:13:30,229 --> 01:13:28,560
feel you know eerily drawn to it

2024
01:13:31,990 --> 01:13:30,239
and i mean the one issue you brought up

2025
01:13:34,070 --> 01:13:32,000
which is interesting is the extra

2026
01:13:36,070 --> 01:13:34,080
the issue of having an extra vertebra

2027
01:13:38,149 --> 01:13:36,080
now every year you know

2028
01:13:40,149 --> 01:13:38,159
people who you of any blood group are

2029
01:13:41,350 --> 01:13:40,159
born with an extroverted it's just a

2030
01:13:43,189 --> 01:13:41,360
condition that sometimes

2031
01:13:44,790 --> 01:13:43,199
happens and yeah you probably wouldn't

2032
01:13:46,550 --> 01:13:44,800
know unless you ever had back surgery

2033
01:13:47,750 --> 01:13:46,560
and the doctor even bothered to point it

2034
01:13:51,030 --> 01:13:47,760
out because it doesn't

2035
01:13:54,070 --> 01:13:51,040
really cause any issues as such however

2036
01:13:55,350 --> 01:13:54,080
there is a slightly higher percentage of

2037
01:13:57,590 --> 01:13:55,360
people who are rh

2038
01:13:59,430 --> 01:13:57,600
negative who have this extra vertebrae

2039
01:14:01,990 --> 01:13:59,440
now what's really interesting

2040
01:14:02,870 --> 01:14:02,000
is that if we go back to 1961 and the

2041
01:14:05,270 --> 01:14:02,880
famous

2042
01:14:06,870 --> 01:14:05,280
betty and barney hill abduction uh a

2043
01:14:09,669 --> 01:14:06,880
couple coming back from

2044
01:14:10,550 --> 01:14:09,679
a vacation in canada back home to new

2045
01:14:11,990 --> 01:14:10,560
hampshire

2046
01:14:14,470 --> 01:14:12,000
and as betty and barney were driving

2047
01:14:16,149 --> 01:14:14,480
home they saw this light in the sky

2048
01:14:18,470 --> 01:14:16,159
and it seemed not to be alive it's some

2049
01:14:21,270 --> 01:14:18,480
sort of vehicle then they had this

2050
01:14:23,590 --> 01:14:21,280
typical missing time thing excuse me

2051
01:14:25,430 --> 01:14:23,600
being taken on board a craft and

2052
01:14:27,270 --> 01:14:25,440
medical experiments and so on that was

2053
01:14:28,470 --> 01:14:27,280
followed by bad dreams and so they

2054
01:14:30,550 --> 01:14:28,480
finally

2055
01:14:32,390 --> 01:14:30,560
had regressive hypnosis well it turns

2056
01:14:33,830 --> 01:14:32,400
out that barney said that when he was on

2057
01:14:35,910 --> 01:14:33,840
board the craft

2058
01:14:37,590 --> 01:14:35,920
that the aliens or whatever they were

2059
01:14:39,110 --> 01:14:37,600
and kept running their fingers up and

2060
01:14:41,990 --> 01:14:39,120
down his spine and he thought with

2061
01:14:45,590 --> 01:14:42,000
hindsight they were counted as vertebrae

2062
01:14:46,149 --> 01:14:45,600
and the of course you know back in 1961

2063
01:14:48,070 --> 01:14:46,159
when

2064
01:14:49,910 --> 01:14:48,080
the hills experience occurred and

2065
01:14:52,470 --> 01:14:49,920
certainly 62 63

2066
01:14:53,669 --> 01:14:52,480
64 when the hypnosis was going on you

2067
01:14:55,270 --> 01:14:53,679
know nobody

2068
01:14:57,750 --> 01:14:55,280
rather than barney and betty really

2069
01:14:58,310 --> 01:14:57,760
we're talking about a connection or some

2070
01:15:02,550 --> 01:14:58,320
sort of

2071
01:15:05,189 --> 01:15:02,560
odd connection between the experience

2072
01:15:06,709 --> 01:15:05,199
and barney spine but if you look at it

2073
01:15:08,790 --> 01:15:06,719
with hindsight today

2074
01:15:10,550 --> 01:15:08,800
and realizing you know the rh negatives

2075
01:15:12,149 --> 01:15:10,560
having more

2076
01:15:13,669 --> 01:15:12,159
people you know with a higher incidence

2077
01:15:14,070 --> 01:15:13,679
of this extra vertebrae you have to

2078
01:15:16,790 --> 01:15:14,080
wonder

2079
01:15:18,229 --> 01:15:16,800
if they were checking out his vertebra

2080
01:15:19,110 --> 01:15:18,239
as if they were trying to determine if

2081
01:15:22,470 --> 01:15:19,120
he was rh

2082
01:15:25,270 --> 01:15:22,480
negative you know well you know i

2083
01:15:26,630 --> 01:15:25,280
i've had black problems all my life and

2084
01:15:28,790 --> 01:15:26,640
when i went to the doctor

2085
01:15:30,229 --> 01:15:28,800
to have my back check he told me i got

2086
01:15:32,070 --> 01:15:30,239
an extra vertebra

2087
01:15:34,470 --> 01:15:32,080
and i've never i've never even really

2088
01:15:35,030 --> 01:15:34,480
thought about it until i read this thing

2089
01:15:37,910 --> 01:15:35,040
i think now

2090
01:15:39,910 --> 01:15:37,920
what in the hell is that all about so

2091
01:15:41,910 --> 01:15:39,920
they know

2092
01:15:44,709 --> 01:15:41,920
what you got me thinking if you're one

2093
01:15:46,180 --> 01:15:44,719
of them i'm maybe

2094
01:15:49,110 --> 01:15:46,190
all right goodbye

2095
01:15:53,270 --> 01:15:49,120
[Laughter]

2096
01:15:56,470 --> 01:15:53,280
that's interesting um oh man so

2097
01:15:58,070 --> 01:15:56,480
where do you know a lot of people or

2098
01:15:59,830 --> 01:15:58,080
a lot of things that have come well you

2099
01:16:02,630 --> 01:15:59,840
even have it in the book

2100
01:16:08,470 --> 01:16:02,640
uh where this is connected to the

2101
01:16:11,990 --> 01:16:09,830
yeah well i point out that you know a

2102
01:16:14,310 --> 01:16:12,000
lot of this the we know the

2103
01:16:16,070 --> 01:16:14,320
certainly the situation today because we

2104
01:16:18,310 --> 01:16:16,080
can answer the paper around

2105
01:16:19,270 --> 01:16:18,320
but the one person who sort of more than

2106
01:16:22,630 --> 01:16:19,280
any other

2107
01:16:24,630 --> 01:16:22,640
um kind of um you put together this

2108
01:16:26,070 --> 01:16:24,640
whole angle of genetic manipulation in

2109
01:16:29,430 --> 01:16:26,080
the distant past was the late

2110
01:16:31,750 --> 01:16:29,440
zechariah sitchin and he felt that

2111
01:16:32,550 --> 01:16:31,760
sort of an early type of human like crow

2112
01:16:34,950 --> 01:16:32,560
magnum

2113
01:16:37,189 --> 01:16:34,960
may have been genetically altered by

2114
01:16:39,110 --> 01:16:37,199
what have become known as the annunaki

2115
01:16:41,030 --> 01:16:39,120
you know they're sort of very well

2116
01:16:44,430 --> 01:16:41,040
legendary figures you know within

2117
01:16:46,229 --> 01:16:44,440
ancient law but um situ perceive them as

2118
01:16:47,669 --> 01:16:46,239
extraterrestrials you know but highly

2119
01:16:49,830 --> 01:16:47,679
advancing fields of

2120
01:16:51,590 --> 01:16:49,840
genetics and gene splicing and he felt

2121
01:16:54,550 --> 01:16:51,600
that a lot of the ancient legends

2122
01:16:55,750 --> 01:16:54,560
of the gods coming down and taking human

2123
01:16:57,669 --> 01:16:55,760
wives and

2124
01:16:59,189 --> 01:16:57,679
giants on the earth and the nephilim and

2125
01:17:00,310 --> 01:16:59,199
all that kind of thing was essentially

2126
01:17:02,950 --> 01:17:00,320
tied in

2127
01:17:03,910 --> 01:17:02,960
with genetic experiments between you

2128
01:17:05,990 --> 01:17:03,920
know

2129
01:17:07,590 --> 01:17:06,000
visiting aliens and early primitive

2130
01:17:09,590 --> 01:17:07,600
humans and he

2131
01:17:10,790 --> 01:17:09,600
suggested that it may have all been done

2132
01:17:13,990 --> 01:17:10,800
to create like a

2133
01:17:16,229 --> 01:17:14,000
a slave race a sort of robust slave race

2134
01:17:17,189 --> 01:17:16,239
and that um what's interesting that

2135
01:17:19,590 --> 01:17:17,199
there are

2136
01:17:20,470 --> 01:17:19,600
good indications that crow magnum man

2137
01:17:23,350 --> 01:17:20,480
may have been

2138
01:17:24,310 --> 01:17:23,360
rh negative which could have been you

2139
01:17:26,550 --> 01:17:24,320
know the

2140
01:17:27,910 --> 01:17:26,560
the entity the statue was talking about

2141
01:17:29,189 --> 01:17:27,920
and what's interesting is that one of

2142
01:17:32,070 --> 01:17:29,199
the areas where

2143
01:17:33,350 --> 01:17:32,080
crow magnum and proliferated in parts of

2144
01:17:36,310 --> 01:17:33,360
spain and france

2145
01:17:38,070 --> 01:17:36,320
is where the basque people basque the

2146
01:17:40,070 --> 01:17:38,080
basque people live today

2147
01:17:42,149 --> 01:17:40,080
and they have an extremely high

2148
01:17:44,709 --> 01:17:42,159
percentage of rh negatives

2149
01:17:45,750 --> 01:17:44,719
um as i said it's sort of round about

2150
01:17:47,830 --> 01:17:45,760
well you know

2151
01:17:48,790 --> 01:17:47,840
around about sort of 10 and lower in the

2152
01:17:50,709 --> 01:17:48,800
us

2153
01:17:51,830 --> 01:17:50,719
in the basque region of spain where the

2154
01:17:55,270 --> 01:17:51,840
bass people live

2155
01:17:57,430 --> 01:17:55,280
their percentage is like above 40 so

2156
01:17:58,550 --> 01:17:57,440
the fact that the crowd magnums were in

2157
01:18:00,630 --> 01:17:58,560
that area as well

2158
01:18:01,590 --> 01:18:00,640
just suggest a strong possibility that

2159
01:18:17,750 --> 01:18:01,600
they were

2160
01:18:21,910 --> 01:18:20,149
you there lon yeah did we lose in there

2161
01:18:27,590 --> 01:18:21,920
i think we lost nick

2162
01:18:30,310 --> 01:18:27,600
yeah we did yeah

2163
01:18:31,590 --> 01:18:30,320
we lost nick well folks we're almost out

2164
01:18:33,270 --> 01:18:31,600
of time for the show

2165
01:18:35,669 --> 01:18:33,280
tonight anyhow so we're gonna have to

2166
01:18:38,950 --> 01:18:35,679
get a hold of nick after the show sorry

2167
01:18:42,709 --> 01:18:40,870
a good show tonight you guys lost me in

2168
01:18:44,390 --> 01:18:42,719
the dust with the rh stuff but

2169
01:18:45,830 --> 01:18:44,400
uh you were excited about it that's what

2170
01:18:48,070 --> 01:18:45,840
matters you were really excited

2171
01:18:49,430 --> 01:18:48,080
that that's a fact that's a fascinating

2172
01:18:51,189 --> 01:18:49,440
thing i i

2173
01:18:53,030 --> 01:18:51,199
you know i had heard about this and of

2174
01:18:56,229 --> 01:18:53,040
course i i used to

2175
01:18:58,310 --> 01:18:56,239
love reading the sitchin's book and uh

2176
01:19:00,470 --> 01:18:58,320
the late lloyd pine and i

2177
01:19:02,550 --> 01:19:00,480
and he was a protege of sichuan and we

2178
01:19:05,669 --> 01:19:02,560
used to talk about a lot of this

2179
01:19:09,590 --> 01:19:05,679
and uh it was fascinating but this rh

2180
01:19:10,870 --> 01:19:09,600
negative factor is um

2181
01:19:13,270 --> 01:19:10,880
you know it's just something else to

2182
01:19:15,510 --> 01:19:13,280
think about and uh

2183
01:19:17,669 --> 01:19:15,520
you know i subscribe to some of this the

2184
01:19:19,030 --> 01:19:17,679
book of enoch and the anunnaki and the

2185
01:19:22,310 --> 01:19:19,040
nephilim and

2186
01:19:24,070 --> 01:19:22,320
and all that but um you know

2187
01:19:25,910 --> 01:19:24,080
it it's almost to the point you don't

2188
01:19:28,709 --> 01:19:25,920
it's a lot of speculation

2189
01:19:30,550 --> 01:19:28,719
and but you wonder why you know some

2190
01:19:32,709 --> 01:19:30,560
stuff like that was never

2191
01:19:35,669 --> 01:19:32,719
put into the bible the book of enoch was

2192
01:19:37,990 --> 01:19:35,679
never that was not put into the bible

2193
01:19:39,350 --> 01:19:38,000
as but a lot of books were not put in

2194
01:19:42,070 --> 01:19:39,360
the bible as well

2195
01:19:43,750 --> 01:19:42,080
and the reason you got to think about

2196
01:19:46,310 --> 01:19:43,760
but why was that you know

2197
01:19:47,110 --> 01:19:46,320
is it something so controversial that

2198
01:19:51,350 --> 01:19:47,120
you know

2199
01:19:52,070 --> 01:19:51,360
wasn't considered to be put in the bible

2200
01:19:54,149 --> 01:19:52,080
so

2201
01:19:55,189 --> 01:19:54,159
i don't know it's it's it's an

2202
01:19:57,910 --> 01:19:55,199
interesting theory

2203
01:19:59,430 --> 01:19:57,920
the book is great uh it's called

2204
01:20:01,430 --> 01:19:59,440
bloodline the gods

2205
01:20:03,990 --> 01:20:01,440
unravel the mystery of the human blood

2206
01:20:07,030 --> 01:20:04,000
type to reveal the aliens among us

2207
01:20:10,229 --> 01:20:07,040
uh i'm about halfway through it but

2208
01:20:12,709 --> 01:20:10,239
it's it's a great book

2209
01:20:14,310 --> 01:20:12,719
definitely pick it up folks well one

2210
01:20:17,669 --> 01:20:14,320
that's about all we got for tonight

2211
01:20:20,470 --> 01:20:17,679
next week we talk about uh kennedy

2212
01:20:21,350 --> 01:20:20,480
yeah we're going to do a special next

2213
01:20:24,470 --> 01:20:21,360
week

2214
01:20:28,310 --> 01:20:24,480
uh we are going to be talking about

2215
01:20:32,390 --> 01:20:28,320
the jfk assassination

2216
01:20:36,149 --> 01:20:32,400
conspiracy or was it basically i mean

2217
01:20:40,390 --> 01:20:36,159
was was it really a conspiracy or

2218
01:20:42,790 --> 01:20:40,400
did uh did uh

2219
01:20:44,470 --> 01:20:42,800
was it you know was it one man that that

2220
01:20:47,110 --> 01:20:44,480
caused the havoc or was it

2221
01:20:48,550 --> 01:20:47,120
a conspiracy by some other type of

2222
01:20:51,669 --> 01:20:48,560
agency or

2223
01:20:53,270 --> 01:20:51,679
cabal or whatever

2224
01:20:55,110 --> 01:20:53,280
so you know we're going to do our

2225
01:20:58,550 --> 01:20:55,120
homework this week kind of brush

2226
01:21:00,390 --> 01:20:58,560
up on it and you know if people have

2227
01:21:00,790 --> 01:21:00,400
questions or want to talk about it you

2228
01:21:02,950 --> 01:21:00,800
know

2229
01:21:04,950 --> 01:21:02,960
we got a phone we got the telephone

2230
01:21:08,550 --> 01:21:04,960
number and we've got you know

2231
01:21:09,189 --> 01:21:08,560
the uh the chat room you know maybe we

2232
01:21:12,790 --> 01:21:09,199
can have a

2233
01:21:14,790 --> 01:21:12,800
pretty decent conversation about this

2234
01:21:16,310 --> 01:21:14,800
most definitely so folks we'll see you

2235
01:21:17,189 --> 01:21:16,320
next week you've been listening to

2236
01:21:19,510 --> 01:21:17,199
arcane radio

2237
01:21:20,709 --> 01:21:19,520
shawn forker lon strickler and tonight's

2238
01:21:23,110 --> 01:21:20,719
gays guest

2239
01:21:24,709 --> 01:21:23,120
tonight's guest tonight's guest nick

2240
01:21:25,669 --> 01:21:24,719
redfern we'll catch you next week folks